1992-01-09Minutes from Meeting on January 9, 1992
Members present: Clayton Small, Vincent Cotreau, Bill Liss
Nancy Lodge, Glen Terry and Peter Gilmore.
Meeting called to order at 7:45 P.M.
Motion for a Public Hearing made by Bill Liss
Seconded by Glen Terry
ALL IN FAVOR
676-676R Cabot Street
James M. DeCoulose Representativve,
Old enforcement--resubmitted Notice of Intent and submitted
an okay for the septic system.
Mrs. Solomon questioned the easement.
Peter Gilmore questioned whether we need to write a new Order of
Conditions.
Answer: Yes plus a compliance and a non-significance.
Vincent Cotreau mentioned the area needs cleaning-- there
were beer cans found near the wetlands, when it is cleared
up the non-significance will be releaced to the clients.
Vinnie: Is there an appeal period?
Peter Gilmore: Yes.
Vincent motioned for a non-significance
Bill Liss seconded
ALL IN FAVOR
Release was handed to Peter Gilmore and will be mailed back.
NOTICE OF INTENT
95-77 Cross Lane Birch Woods
Cross Lane Trust
Representatives: Wetland Preservation- Alan Grenier
Kurt Young Botanist
Vasek Talaco- Hancock Survey
Nancy Lodge: What is planned for sewerage?
A. There will be one near Cross Lane
Nancy: Possible flooding in Thissell Brook, what about those who
live on Hale Street?
A. Water detention basins were designed
Post construction would be as normal free running stream
this is a high iron content from ground.
Nancy: Many hundreds of frogs are there, are you aware? Will
they live there?
A. Yes
most will inhabit near the storm drain.
Nancy: Will lots of flooding still continue?
A. By removal of two blockage pipes, upstream water has been
released in '89 removal has alliviated it.
Bill: A confusing site-needs marking-this is a start
flagging where are you intending to do it?
A; There are encoded flags
Bill: Still confusing site--need another site visit.
Vincent: What feeds vegetation?
Kurt: Ground water
Kurt: Yes, but ground water follows the stream.
It's a discharge not recharge condition,
Vinnie: Replication of bank- how do you replicate a bank with
a bank?
A. Not replacing the bank but the habitat?
Nancy? Are you going to build houses?
A: Yes, but will design and ones in buffer zone will come to
the commission your approval.
Bill Lisa: Houses will be impermiable ground. Policy in the
past has been to note dwellings and driveways.
Vasek: The problem is they will not be built as we have drawn now.
Bill: 13 house lots-chance any are not buildable?
Vasek: They have been taken into account
Kurt: Lot 11 needs approval-long driveway and will have impact
on wetlands.
Peter: Size of upland on lot 117
Kurt E-W 160
N-S 180 at largest point.
Bill: So houses are in thought?
Nancy? How can we approve without a definite of houses?
Peter: We can agree to this later, they will have to come
back to the commission.
George Zambouras: Will be tied into sewerage
Vinnie: Road pollution: Have you done anything?
Kurt: Yes
Vinnie: Could outflow be moved to a different area so inflow
and outflow are further apart?
Vasek: Would have to look into it.
Vinnie: Would be better protection- 8 inch difference?
George Zambouras: Concerns:
Review of Hydraulic analysis
minor problems
1) impervious areas should be larger-would have direct affect
of 100 year flood
post conditions have not taken into effect. Property does
overflow during a storm.
Minor notation added to Order of Conditions (Since this has
already been approved by the planning board.)
Vinnie: related to playground--very near the pond
Kids playing near wetland now becomes wetland issue-There is
a fenced area.
Vinnie: This is both a wetland and safety issue. Planning
department says doesn't have to be there.
Alan: tot-lot was matter of significant discussion
Vinnie: Banks aren't stable--replace tot-lot
Alan: Tot lot was impossed.
Vasek: a 5 foot fence
Clayton: Who would assume responsibility?
Alan: The developer
Peter: When lots are sold, then who?
Alan: For now the developer
Peter: A variance could eliminate Birchwood Drive.
Alan: No
Alan: During construction we would put haybale lines up stream
so no blockage occurs.
GENERAL PUBLIC
David Heslop 111 Cross Lane
Disturbing intergrated habitat then becomes fragmented
Kurt: lots of small mammels are there
Heslop: Look into habitat distrubances, will still have loss of
habitat
Kurt: Will be able to get to and from stream when finished
Mr. Davyan 103 Cross Lane abutter There are owls, chipmunks
that need the stream--water quality filters through the ground
what about nitrogen?
Vasek: Nitrogen helps vegetation.;
Davyan- The point is the detention pond won't help water quality.
Majorie Hutt 71 Cross Lane
Water in detention basin will be polluted
Kurt: not great volume of road oil. Detention ponds could be cleaner
than many receding waters.
Marjorie: How many gallons of water will go in basin per minute
Vasek: 100 year storm: outflow .9 per cubic feet per second=
7 gallons per second
Detention pond will act as a buffer
Marjorie: Water is not being released it's seeping in ground
Kurt: Can't reduce water -reason for detention to buffer.
Leroy Hutt 71 Cross Lane
Few things disagree - This brook has not dried up. Depth of
water on his property has gone 8 feet high.
Water flows to Dane St. Beach
Greater problem: high detention area 6 ft high- his brook
has more water, the pond is higher than detention area.
Wants commission to correct flow of water.
Scott Carter 75 Cross Lane.
Most Cross Lane is on Septic Tanks
Concern: Saving trees
Vasek: Won't be filling or causing ground water to rise. This development
won't affect Cross Lanes Leeching fields.
Debbie Heslop 111 Cross Lane-
Severe flooding how will project affect ? She has been following
project, and water sits in her yard. She has been studying its
waterflows.
Not convinced that situation won't worsen.
Vasek: Your land is upstream
Debbie: Obstacles are being created
George: Solution is a drainage pipe
Mr. Heslop: How do you control? Who will be responsible
George: City would have to deed the property.
Vinnie: Where road crosses, will there be a culvert?
Vasek: Yes 3x6 culvert
Vinnie: How will culvert work as well as open area? What is
size of stream?
Vasek: Bottom 6 1/2 feet x 2.9 deep, 1 1/2 to 1 slope culvert is
6ft x 3ft below.
Vinnie: Banks- don't really dry up.
Peter: Are banks impairing wildlife habitat, that's what's important.
Kurt: have assumed wildlife habitat
Mrs. Heslop: Can public go with the commission
Peter: Can't require
Alan: Only with the commission
2 weeks Saturday on Jan. 25 at 11:00 A.M. meet there.
Kurt will provide flagging wetlands area and stake tension basin .
-area of crossing outflow (relocate)
-resource areas to be altered replicated
-individual houses- statement of square feet per lot. How
much is roadway driveway and houses.
Discussion with engineers about drainage
nancy: Pollution more than thought in outher cases how about here?
Kurt - culvert pump station DPW review
-playground relocation.
Hearing continued on January 30, 1992
Request for permit extension to George Zambouras
Vinnie motioned
Bill seconded
ALL IN FAVOR
Extension until may 21, 1993
Request for Certificate to Brookwood School
Vinnie motioned
Nancy Seconded
ALL IN FAVOR
Vinnie : Did ever get certificate for old one
Peter : This is the old one.
Information on the Bridge
2 weeks to respond, look at it, let me hear from everyone who
has something to say by the end of next week
Send to DEPE, there is no data
Motion to adjourn at 10:20 P.M. made by Bill Liss
Seconded by Nancy