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CONSERVATION COMMISSION
BEVERLY, MASSACHUSETTS
MINUTES FROM MEETING ON DECEMBER 14, 1989
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Chairman Pay BCJuc:hard, Vice-Chairman Geolge
Liss, Joe Manzi, Peter Gilmore, Nancy Lodge, and
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MOTION TO RECESS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING
made by Peter Gilmore
seconded by Bill Liss
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Two continued hearing as follows:
Grasso-Liberty at Newbury St" (3-10t subdivision)
Representing, James O'Day, Seites Engineering Co"
P E' f (0,1" Y" \7::' d to Dee E:' IT! be r-' 2, 1 <j 8? , sit E':' \I:i ~:' it. /\ t t h :i ~::' t i ITi E:' , ,01 P J a, n u] a ~~
submitted to the Commission" Spoke of the eXlsting drain~ge ditch, to
clean and to reshape it to hold the 100 year run-off. Ditch 400 feet
will hold 6100 cw"ft. of water. Two f~et of silt, at this time, IS at
the bCJttom of this ditch.
Vinnie Cotreau: Ditch, what are your plans for holding water in it?
Pe: A 100 yr. storm
O'Day: Normally all playing fi~lds are not sloped. The ditch could be
made wider than 10 feet. It is 2 feet deep now.
Vinnie Cotreau~ Questioned the ditch being City property.
D'Day: Technically it is Mr. Grasso~s. Defined by FEMA it is not in
the lOO-year flood. If we did nothing, 4-5 inches could flood"
Peter Gilmore~ Still asking for drainage calculation re: A 10 YE:'ar and
a 100 year storm. We can't rely on your hunch we want to know, by
numbers and calculations if your mitigations will work. It may be
n(,:,~gli;;:l:i,blF'!'! bu,t I..t1E' want to be:? S'Ul^e, i.f in 3, YE'i:':'\1^'1 l.Uf.:" don.'t l!.Iant PE'DPle
coming back complaining"
George Batchelder: Concurs with Mr. Gilmore" We have to know where
the 100-year flood is.
Peter Gilmore~ Re: Constructing the weir in the wetlands.
What kind of equipment will bE:' ~sed? How it will get in there and out?
O'Day: Construction of Weir done in a couple Df months, done with a
small backhoe" Ve~etation will grow back then.
George Batchelder: Talked of delineation of the wetlands, the weir is
into 80-90 feet of thE:' wetlands, etc. All in qUE:'stion.
VinniE.' COtl^f'?,OIU: Re: The weir, is it at level 38'1 how much will it hold
back?
()'Day: E:leva"tioI"l=3E3'; "T"ol:)=40,,~j~
Vinnie Cotreau: How will the wier work?
Invert of weir appears same as top of the ground; also losing 40' of
wa tel'" S; t o( ,:~(3 E?
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Fred Feldman 61 Corning St.
Calculation taken, ditch dry or not dry.
Existing manhole contains brown water,
v j, si, t.
PetE:'r referred to the proposed 12" drain into the manhole. Shows 2
d i 5;, c: h c'" ,'g i n (J .
O"Di::(~j: ~3houlci be Dnly Dn<-::~" J ("(,::,:'eC)rJ'ilTlf:'::''I',c:J on (,:,,' 12" ci,"C':\in bE:' in~3tallE\c:I,
eliminate the one on the side of the playing fieJds" Does not go intD
thE' c!:i,i::c:h'l ,:~,nd I wilI P,"C)pu,;:"\,:,, th,:;I,t :i,t dC)C"::;,fl"t gc, inte::, th{,':! ditch"
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before I get flD[)ded?
~'Day: If properly maintained (ditch) you shouldn't get flooded" If
aIL p)"ope)"t~.! 01,1)1"1 ei" E'", clean up f<,::\IIi:::!n h'('Elnc:hE:'<::;, ,:::!tc. the{"E! s-:;houlrJn't be'
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Feldman~ For thE:' recDrd, we've hired a civil engineer. Also and would
like him to appear at our next meeting" Also I've brought a plut plan
depicting my property and Grasso's property.
Streams along the wall, will they be indicated on the plan?
Ray: Should be shown on the plan, an~ indication of water.
-Delineation of Wetland
-Method eCJnstruc:tion of weir
""'C,"C)':;;~::; ~::;r~c::tio'f"I'l ditch s;(Juthr?'r"ly E''i',d"
-Compertation -Ditc::h- 10 and 100 year
-Cross-seetinn of the playing field
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-Check elevation of weir structure
Mr. Grasso: Vague of what the CDmmission really wants?
Peter: To stake house on plan
HEARING CONTINUED ON JANUAPY 4, 1990
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Showed photos Df the ditch.
as seen CJn December 2 site
RECE:E;S
laurel Ridge #5-340 Retirement Community
P'I~ e f::.; en t: ,P clU:I. SornlTiE:"f", SOlTilTie'i~ En v i 'I"' on ITlE?n t ",'11
A letter submittE:'d by Renee Mary for contact. Also, Paul Sommer, at
this time submitted a proposed order of conditions.
George Batchelder: TCJu many assumptions, not sure about the future.
So much is lc,:~ft undonf~. hie nE:'c,,'c:! "HF:;Lt.lf.0)^':;"
Paul Sommers: Re: Basins, recommend concrete for the Dutfall
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CiE'O{"qt:::':: I.._E~VC:'J~:::, (:)1" tc)~.;ic::i,tl::l~1 (:?te" in thE' 1,!,IE,tland~::,,, bUJEI1 f:.' Vt-::,l""':;U',::, di,tch
in thi~:; C,,:iSE!.
Paul: bwale originally developed beforE:' this board as a pollution
retE'ntion.
George: Detention Basin 7000' cw.~t" of water, stones.
Paul: That's cOl~rect. 2El(1,~':!0(:1c::w. ft.::=lYl~. €:!Vi::mt. I\nnu"d )"'ain'f'alJ.
f.'?vent .33.
George: Unrealistic figures- numbers look good, stores easily.
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Kim Martel: Carlson ASSOcIates. Regarding ,,33 This retains water at
the bottom of the basin. These fIgures from data from a Boston
weather station. A one-year store in the worse storm (2.6) comes up
1.. lA.lE' cc:\n Y'E,tc:\in c':\nd s5tO'('E' th:;,s i,:IITIOunt. (180,,")0121 cu.ft).
Normadeau Associates, Bill Arcerriere Water Quality Expert. SpokE:' of
water flCJw, water detention.
Alan Taubert, stated his comments. Re: First flush containing
pollutants. A large rainstorm will flush thE:' pollutants out.
Bill A.: Re: Continuous discharge, submitted correspondence to the
comrJ'i i s;.s i on.
Taubert: referred to applicant's calculations submitted. Depth being
shallow, will go right through the pond. Nothing will be removed
(pollutants), all this from documents from the applicant should see
reduced flood flows, that will require a larger basin. May be in
solid rock at the bottom of the ponds. Shoud be an earth embankment
at the top of the weirs. Would like to see this on a set of plans.
Pc1,ul ~~;r::lmme)": 28v),0(,')(21 cu. ft. i~:; ITIOi"'e thi::IT'l ju::~i:: flood cDntl"ol"
George Effect of blasting to the wetlands. re-desIgn of the wetlands.
,0, IT! [) U n t 0 f bid,s, tin g 1 El, 0 (2) (2) cub i c ~'.:I c:,\ i" d s:: .. R E' f E:' r r' E' d t 0 1'1'('. 1'1 a 1"1 z i ' s
inquiry a few weeks back stating 54,000. Peferred to private wells in
the area. Spf?cies bref?ding neE:,d a cel'.'tain E~IT!CiUrd: of Wi.iter', Il.uant
1"1 u m be}" s j'" e': the c h a 1"1 (;j i n g 0 f de p t h j, 1"1 t h f?3 wet I and S5 ..
Patrick Fairbairn: Spoke of last year's very dry winter and how water
can build up near the bed rock. Also, the asymety of the basin will
contain enough water for breeding. Salamander are long-lived.
Confident of the area.
George: Swales, pollution standards.
Bill A,,: PrCJvided data for runoff at the end CJf the pipe. Goes with an
extended retention basin.
We need 80-90% remCJval, these basin designed properly can do this.
Much discussion designing these guidelines.
George: Doesn~t believe in graa swale
Bill A,,: State highways use them.
George: Referred back to Mr. Taubert's first flush statement.
Nancy: Spoke of the 6" pipe and a silt build up and the maintenance
would have to be maintained. /
Renee Mary: 274 Hale St.
Introduced Michael Emerson a professional engineer, Chase Technical
Associates, a blasting E:'xpert. Spoke at this time.
The effe~~ of the w0tland and the alternatives. Suggests ~2c
EngineE:'rs do sub-surface excavation, tCJ understand the materials, to
determine the groundwater regime, this will show the effects to the
wells in the area. To consider the alternatives to bJasting"
Critical area such as trenches"
Elevation of the rock excavation in the main building's either 78 or
79. would put 1.7 ft" below the wetland ponds. ElevatiCJll of bedrock
is 5 feet below the adjacent rock. Incyease of flow to Wetland one
i:':\ I t (:,:,'1'" ~:~ t E:'ITI pc",!," i;";\ t u. I" E! . Tl" (::;n c:: h (''2'5 c:;; h.oL.t I d not bf? )" 0 C k b 1 c~ s t E? c:i"
Bruce Munson= 31 Boyle StrE:'E:'t
Read a letter and will submit to ~he commiSSIon.
Peg Brady: Director Mass. Audobon Society
Spoke of wetlands habitat loss. Submit,ted a letter from Nov.7th
Re: Retention and detention Basins amount of water.
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Paul Sommer: BedrCJck at the elevatIon of
further upland.
Peg: If the drainage
Ray Bouchard: Always
Peg: In summary, the
Bruce: After reading
vote against the act.
George: Shopping list.
-knowledge of swales, energy dissipator
-chronic levels of water standaMds
-storage shed problems
-pollution
George motioned to close the hearing
Peter seconded
ALL IN FAVOR
groundwater.
Basin #2,
IS
swale fails who's responsible?
the owner.
Society is not satisfied with
the WPA feels a vote for this
the project.
project would be a
5 MINUTE RECESS
RECONVENE
ORDER OF CONDITIONS
Motioned by George to reject this project for various reasons.
Doesn't think the wetlands will remain wetlands
seconded by Nancy Lodge
ALL IN FAVOR
CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE
Beverly Municipal Airport #5-2~6
Peter Gilmore motioned to table
Bill Liss seconded
ALL IN FAVOR
Baldini #5-342 PainE Ave.
Peter Gilmore motioned Standard~
Vinnie Cotreau seconded
ALL IN FAVOR
MOTION TO ADJOURN AT 11:26 P.M. MADE BY BILL LISS
SECONDED BY NANCY LODGE
ALL IN FAVOR !!!
MariE:' S. Cotreau/ clE:'rk