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BHRC Meeting 2021-01-07 Beverly Human Rights Committee Minutes - 2021 -01 -07 31:55 Caja Johnson:we're ready to get rolling. All right, so I'm gonna call the meeting to order. roll call We are. 32:11 Leah Jones: here 32:13 Caja Johnson:Abu 32:15 Abu Toppin: here 32:17 Caja Johnson: Gabrielle 32:21 Gabrielle Montevecchi: here 32:23 Caja Johnson: chief 32:25 John LeLacheur. here 32:30 Caja Johnson: Paul Lindsay posts I don't see. Allison 32:42 Beverly Human Rights Committee: you 32:47 Caja Johnson:All right. We're getting anybody. I don't think so. 32:54 Beverly Human Rights Committee:All good when? 32:56 Caja Johnson:Yeah, you're here. Thank you. Good. 32:58 Beverly Human Rights Committee:You're welcome. 33:02 Caja Johnson:All right. So, um just taking a look at the agenda. if the Beverly bike committee could go first that would be great. I just wanted to also say I'm just a couple things that there are two open seats. um on the human rights committee. Just wanted to to say that and say welcome to Mayor Cahill. It's good to see you here. Thank you for coming. And also welcome Jonathan salt I can see that you're here. All right, so if you want to go ahead and start. Jonathan were were all ears. Jonathan starts from The Beverly bike Committee in case quotes didn't know. 33:57 Jonathan Salt. Okay. Yeah. Hello everyone. That's Johnson salt from The Beverly bike committee Roger Woodbury is trying to get into the meeting. He's going to be presenting for the Beverly bike committee. Are you seeing him? 34:07 Caja Johnson: Oh. 34:08 Jonathan Salt. Knocking on your door somewhere. 34:12 Beverly Human Rights Committee: I am I am not so it pops up if people are trying to get admitted so I do not see him yet. 34:23 Leah Jones: I wonder if there are some folks 34:23 Jonathan Salt:Yeah, he 34:24 Leah Jones: trying to get in with the other link Casio. Is there do you think? 34:29 Jonathan Salt: Okay Rod Rogers Rogers saying to me 34:30 Leah Jones: They're friends. Send. 34:33 Jonathan Salt: now. It says I can join so he's he's close. 34:37 Caja Johnson: Okay. All right. It's good to actually see you. 34:45 Jonathan Salt: Hell, yeah, it's good to see you all. 34:47 Caja Johnson:We well we've talked several times and I haven't been able to to see anyone, but I've never met you in person. 34:56 Jonathan Salt: Okay. Well, we've met over the phone cages. So I think I yeah, we're good. 35:00 Caja Johnson:Yeah. 35:02 Jonathan Salt: but you know Roger Roger's going to be talking for the Beverly bike committee today, but 35:07 Beverly Human Rights Committee: like 35:08 Jonathan Salt:While he's getting while you're trying to get him in the Beverly bike committee's been around for about oh almost 10 years and doesn't awful lot about improving the infrastructure for biking and Beverly. Reaches out to the community around biking safely in Beverly. Tries to do events every year we've done things like the role and stroll where we shut down Iowth up Street for a couple of summer days and let people ride walk wheel whatever it takes on low trip Street up along the shore there. We do historic bike rides trying to get people out in their bikes to see the history of Beverly. We've done events with the Boy Scouts around that. We do Sunday rides on a monthly basis. We haven't done them this year, but we have done them in the past where we get folks out to ride around Beverly. We're very much about doing biking for everyone and doing it for not just in sort of like Elite bicyclists, but people just want to Bicycle around Beverly and do it for recreation commuting whatever it's not about. being in some big Bicycle Club and going off like you see folks on the Sunday and and like her and going off into the countryside, but it's about getting out and enjoying bikes and Beverly and really having a good time in Beverly on a bike and getting to work on a bike or going to the shops and a bike or going down to the beach on a bike or whatever it is you want to do and that's that's the the this the point of the Beverly bike committee. That's the the the focus we take. So that's just us and a nutshell. as Roger come along in 36:56 Beverly Human Rights Committee: Now he has not yet. If you have a phone number for him. I can give him a call and see if I can help him get in. 37:03 Jonathan Salt: yeah, I'm text. 37:03 Caja Johnson: Thank you. 37:04 Jonathan Salt: I'm texting him, but I'm not let me 37:06 Beverly Human Rights Committee: Okay. if you 37:08 Jonathan Salt: get his phone number. 37:09 Beverly Human Rights Committee: Okay. 37:11 Caja Johnson: Maybe maybe Jonathan you can put his phone number into the the chat to Paul and then maybe Paul you can sort of connect with him and send him the link. But while we're waiting just in just in the meantime, I just want it. Leah to say a couple things there has been some recent events that have come up since the agenda was put out that I did want to just reflect upon and talk about leer. If eat, that's okay with you if you're ready. 37:45 Jonathan Salt: So I'm going to go to Paul Lance ecos. Is that what you're saying Keisha? 37:49 Beverly Human Rights Committee: Paul Goodwin Paul Goodwin, please 37:51 Jonathan Salt: Paul Goodwin I'm looking 37:52 Beverly Human Rights Committee:Yeah. 37:52 Caja Johnson:Yeah. Yeah, there's two paws. 37:55 Jonathan Salt:Yeah, I'm looking for him on this. 37:58 Caja Johnson: Oh, he's actually comes up as Beverly human, right? 38:01 Paul Lanzikos: Beverly human rights 38:02 Jonathan Salt: Got him. 38:02 Caja Johnson:Yeah. 38:03 Jonathan Salt:All right. see if I can send him a not exactly. 38:08 Leah Jones: so please 1 38:08 Jonathan Salt: I'm not sure we had to get him the this phone number I owe I can I can give it out Paul. It's it's 978. -590 -4503 38:27 Caja Johnson: Okay. Yeah, maybe he has the the link that they the Old Link and he's trying to get in using that. 38:35 Jonathan Salt: Okay, I'll text him at the same time. Thanks. 38:40 Caja Johnson: Do should we wait? Or sorry Leah. 38:44 Leah Jones: you know, I'm comfortable with 38:44 Caja Johnson:What were you saying? 38:46 Leah Jones:whatever if you'd rather. We could do this first and then move to the bike committee. I just don't want to interrupt them Midway or you know, if you'd like me to go ahead. I just saw Sergeant Costa just joined to um 38:59 Caja Johnson: Nice nice. 39:02 Leah Jones: should I should I go ahead I don't this may lead in other discussion 39:03 Caja Johnson:Yeah. 39:05 Leah Jones: later in the meeting. But um, I just wanted to just first acknowledge that I know a lot of people have been in different spaces throughout last night and today just convening and having moments of silence and just kind of acknowledging some of the really hard things that are happening that we saw on TV, but that unfortunately we know are and all of our midst and they're something came up this week. Um, that was disheartening and then there was some very heartening response already. So I wanted to just share both very quickly, but over the over the past couple of years people have come to us with knowing that the chief is on the committee and that others who were working to address these these core issues there. There was some stickers put up by white supremacists. That's it's hard to talk about and I know it can be triggering for some people. So I just wanted to Put it out there that that I know this is hard for some people for all of us to talk about but um, there was some stickers put up around Beverly, um and a concerned citizen took pictures of the stickers and sent them to our our Facebook our human rights committee Facebook page and just wanted us to be aware of them. And I hadn't it's it's a group called Patriot. I think Patriot Force I of us to talk about but um, there was some stickers put up around Beverly, um and a concerned citizen took pictures of the stickers and sent them to our our Facebook our human rights committee Facebook page and just wanted us to be aware of them. And I hadn't it's it's a group called Patriot. I think Patriot Force I hadn't heard of them. But he this this citizen this resident his name was there and everything and shared it and said, I ripped them them to our our Facebook our human rights committee Facebook page and just wanted us to be aware of them. And I hadn't it's it's a group called Patriot. I think Patriot Force I hadn't heard of them. But he this this citizen this resident his name was there and everything and shared it and said, I ripped them down and then he had also gone to their website where they're somebody had boasted that they had done Outreach in these following cities. So I mean whether they have somebody living around here or whether they were passing through who knows and I just wanted to share that because it's not the first time that something like that has happened and there's been stuff on stop signs and these are kind of what I understand from and sergeant. Pasta is as biased incidents and I just I'll just touch on maybe five points not really to this that that have come up in this group for discussion. But one thing that was very 41:13 Jonathan Salt: you 41:14 Leah Jones: heartening was that this this resident took it upon himself and felt like it was his problem to address and I think that's something that we've been talking about as a committee that we really hope that the community sees these things as their problem not oh, somebody else will see it and take care of it that people, you know, we hope that if somebody writes something about a particular group on a stop sign that that the police get 30 calls not that we want the line booked up for other things, but that they get that people respond. Like it's an emergency if people are going to be hurt with words or um or this kind of hate that we respond like it's like it's an emergency. Um, and it's making people feel unsafe. So the second very heartening thing besides all of your wonderful and thoughtful responses on email. Was that Sergeant Costa reached out and asked to talk and we just volleyed he like like a boo and Keisha and others in this group want to meet with mayor Cahill, obviously mayor Cahill too and just kind of talk more about what solutions could be but a couple things to just draw back to previous meetings or that Sergeant Costa is the point person for the Civil Rights work that the police have been designated to do over the past couple of years by by Governor Baker and so he's I just really felt I wanted to just put Sergeant cost on the spot for a minute to say that I really appreciated. I talked about this a little bit today the Longview that I felt like he was taking to looking at okay, how do we code this as a bias incident? How do I share this information with with the rest of the department so that they see these things as we've been talking about with the chief like just keep this, you know, all of us are on this learning curve as these groups pop up. But then also I loved Sergeant Costa had asked one of the things he wants to explore more how to support the community like how if somebody's a personal victim of one of these things or if the communities of victim of one of these things how do we support the groups that are feeling threatened by these things? So that's just to share You know, I guess next steps would be how do we you know in a boo maybe I can turn this to you or to, you know next and then we'd love to hear from the chief and Sergeant Costa and the mayor but you had a couple ideas where we might go in terms of action steps. But because this isn't the first time it would be really great if we had some kind of protocol and maybe something we could do as a committee. To to maybe we put out a statement with that protocol once it's established that a Community member who may see something and not be sure if it's right could call it in and that we know that some of that data could be turned back to the community just to say look the police are paying attention to this. How can we Leverage The CAC meetings to just educate the community about what the police are looking at and paying attention to because it does have that effective keeping people. I hope feeling safer and just reaching out to communities to find out what people need but I think Abu did you want to jump in you had some? really specific and great guidance, and and I'll turn it over to anybody else on that on that list if you had any questions or Comments on that. So, thank you. 44:42 Abu Toppin:Thanks, Leah. I yeah, I like all of you probably, you know, very disturbed by by that 44:48 Jonathan Salt: you 44:49 Abu Toppin: information and and something that I have been talking with the mayor about anyway and a couple of you about having. A group of group of us to address these types of things these types of issues as they come up, um, you know in in my new role with the city, you know, we're working with some Sergeant Costa and maybe another officer and a couple folks from this from this committee that you know, we, you know have an opportunity to kind of form a small working group. If you will that, you know, we are able to address these issues as they arise or give our community an 45:32 Jonathan Salt: Okay. 45:34 Abu Toppin: opportunity to voice concerns and and direct when things like come up that things like this come up that there's a place for them to go to express that and then there's a group to follow up on on the issues that are presented to us where we can investigate, you know, you know discuss research and then as you mentioned we have, you know, provide feedback to the community about, you know, what's happening with that particular ISS. Or if it's something that serious then that we you know are able to escalate it to you know, the proper channels and as you know many resources in Massachusetts win, which we can do that. So, you know, I briefly respondedly to Leah's email to say that you know, that's that's you know, some of the things that I know I'm thinking about for us to do and in terms of next steps, you know, I would talk to you know to Chief and Sergeant Costa and and and a few others offline to really kind of shape this but I think that might be helpful for us to have and we can use you know, the Beverly new revamped Beverly website as a place for people who can you know submit, you know issues there to us or you know have a potentially have a dedicated email. Or something to that effect, but you know we can we can shape this and kind of craft it the way we see fit but I I think it would be beneficial for us to look in that direction to to do something. I did also mention this to my my brother-in-law just so happens to be an FBI agent and I mentioned this to him and just in a regular conversation, but I he asked me how things were going and I brought this up and he was quite aware of this particular group and he brought it up to his supervisor who was very interested in and having conversation with us about the about the group. 47:32 Neil Levine: you 47:33 Abu Toppin: So again to take this offline, you know, there's something I want to talk with Chief and and Sergeant Casa about but they are they are aware of this group. It's he indicated to me that there is has been and continues to be a serious uptick in white supremacist group activity. And this is one of the the newer groups, but but they've been active they are recruiting and they are on 47:59 Neil Levine: you 48:00 Abu Toppin:their radar. So, you know, we do have another pipeline into and so this another resource to help us address this issue. 48:10 Leah Jones:what can I just add one more thing to what you just said about you touched on you touched on this and um one of the other things about at the last the the task force meeting was data, and I wondered if there was something of I think maybe Sergeant Costa can speak to this but 48:28 Neil Levine: you 48:28 Leah Jones: I feel like there is now attention paid to a code for hate crimes and then a code to bias incidents, which I guess don't involve a crime to a specific or it involves a it doesn't necessarily involve another crime to make it a hate crime, but maybe Sergeant Kosta could speak to that and I just wanted to add that Rabbi Allison isn't here but she's long encouraged us to report also to the ADL. So as part of any protocol maybe we could consider the different levels of like data responding to the community like the supporting 49:03 Abu Toppin:you 49:03 Leah Jones: victims, you know Community Education police education just to like awareness of what this stuff is and staying on top of it and then how we can educate use our platform to educate community members about what they can do. But Abu that's so so great. I didn't mean to jump back in but do you do you think Sergeant Kosta could jump in while he's here and maybe speak to this a little bit too? 49:29 Caja Johnson:Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. 49:34 Leah Jones: I think there's a 49:35 Dave Costa:Yeah, I'm here. 49:36 Leah Jones: oh. 49:37 Dave Costa: Sorry. So so yeah, so I honestly I was not aware of this group. Until until you made me aware. which I'm kind of You know, it's one of those things. We don't see this very often the groups around here per se so it's it's kind of interesting to see that but I kind of went Looking a little bit on where these pictures were posted and they're all over the place. I mean they posted everywhere Massachusetts Hamilton Salem North Reading. I mean everywhere in in Massachusetts in around the country. So I mean they're You know, we don't know if it's if they're really active here. If it's just one person who jumped on their website and is inspired by them. I don't know but I'm really kind of looking. forward into connecting with the FBI because that would give us a certainly a more knowledgeable. Connection to some of the stuff and and things that we can kind of be how we can keep track of things and how we can be a more aware of it and how we can respond. as far as the the data Yeah, the idea was I originally put a hate crime code in our computer. But when we talked about it, you know hate crime is very specific. It has to be a crime and then that has to you have to have that hate element to it. and to be a little bit to try to Catch a few more incidents or more data. The idea was to say okay. Let's talk about just maybe do a code for biased incidents so that you know a few thing few more things kind of pop up on our radar and it's not just specific to to crimes so I don't know. Did I was there another question?What was I that I cover everything? 51:36 Leah Jones: I guess just one of the thing you had mentioned Sergeant Costa was working with how to take this information both for this specific thing. And because we've seen even just from the news this week that little things that seem like all those are just a bunch of jerks. It really becomes something so much bigger when small things over and over add up and so you would talked about how to how to kind of like share these incidents with the other members of your team or others on the 52:05 Dave Costa:Yeah, that's that's right. 52:06 Leah Jones: comment. 52:07 Dave Costa:We kind of talked about the support part of it the community support part of it. And you know, I think that's kind of something. I'd like to sit down with with Cajun Abu and maybe a smaller group for now just to kind of figure out what You know what?We want the protocol to be. I mean, it's it's a again when I when 52:25 Jonathan Salt: you 52:26 Dave Costa: I kind of look at this I look at it from the aspect of how we've done other things like, you know, how we support mental health people with mental mental illness and mental health incidents and it kind of have a support group in place where I can say, okay. You know, this is what happened we can get this group in or we can get that group in or this social work or whatever and this is kind of the same ideas where it kind of want to kind of sit down with you guys and figure out. You know how we can provide support to a victim of a hate crime what maybe our specific protocol is maybe there's a group of us that go to the house and talk to them. Maybe there's a group we can connect them to You know something like that. So I think that's something we have to kind of figure out and then, you know an incident like this. That's there's really No victim the victim is kind of society and everybody and how we get the message out there that you know, the stuff is going on and and you know. We're here to support, you know, the community in this and things like that. So I think it's just kind of, you know, Abu kind of talked about sitting down and every you know, the Sitting down and kind of figuring these things out and figure out what the protocols are gonna be. But that's kind of what I'm thinking is just try to figure out hammered, you know, kind of figure out what our protocol is going to be and what we're going to do depending on what happens so That makes sense. 53:49 Caja Johnson: Thank you. Thank you so much Sergeant Costa. Ideally. What I would like to see happen is for the hate crimes task force to be every human rights committee meeting with the data and just so that can just be a regular. regular thing that we're doing to be open and really think about how we can Immediately sort of come up with an automatic resolution so that it's you know, if this happens I think this was an email that Leah had sent but I really liked I think in Salem they said you know, what if this happens and then what do you do? You know, what's the response?What's the protocol so Thank you so much Sergeant cross. I think Roger 54:47 Beverly Human Rights Committee: He joined. 54:49 Caja Johnson: is okay. 54:51 Roger Woodbury:Yes, hi. 54:52 Caja Johnson: Hi. 54:54 Roger Woodbury: Hi happy to be here finally. 54:55 Caja Johnson: Happy New Year 54:56 Roger Woodbury: Finally. That's a Happy New Year, KJ. I know Jonathan from Blake may I some of these most of these other faces are new to me, but I'm happy to be on the call. So I'm on bike committee. and I wanted to talk about the by committee some statement that we put out. I want to start off with talking about the bike committee statement on. Equity diversion and inclusion, especially the equity statement some of the people on the call may have been on the city council. Call us summer where one of our members read the statement, but I think it's worth repeating. So I'll just read it right now. And this introduces us to people who don't know what the bike May does as well. The Beverly bike committee is a local group focused on creating a safe friendly environment for all cyclists through the education awareness address advocacy and promotion of cycling for fun fitness and transportation. BBC is committed to learning and understanding how to be inclusive and diverse and furthering its Mission with the goal of advancing equity and bicycling in our community and thus contributing to a larger effort toward Regional State and National Bike equity. Towards his end. The BBC is established like equity. Subcommittee with the initial and critical focus on listening and learning from cyclists in a community whose voices haven't yet been heard. We're committed to listening without assuming what should be done and then taking action to advance bike Equity. We recognize that we don't know what we don't know and that's that was our starting point. As of last July and I have to admit that we haven't learned a lot yet, but we're really interested in learning a lot. We are aligned with the National Organization. Advocacy organization the the league of American bicyclists and we're also aligned with mass bike the Massachusetts advocacy group and we've talked with discussed amongst ourselves how we feel about EDI and we're pretty much in step with others National groups are and the national enlist State group are so we've I'm I'll send you keija some information with links to websites with those statements later on like probably I won't get to it today. So I'll send it maybe tomorrow. And the league lab is actually they revised. Their their statement in the wake of the George Floyd shooting last summer. and particular around their statements about enforcement because enforcement as being a potential way of profiling came to the four as an issue last summer. So they revised their this statement and is it's quite robust. We're just the small group in Beverly and we don't have the demographics or the the issues of say Boston or Cambridge or Summerville or some of our neighbor cities to the South but we want we still want to be cognizant of the possibility of we don't want to be reinforcing systemic racism inadvertently. So for instance the way it applies to cycling is say for instance. 59:29 Terrence Date: you 59:31 Roger Woodbury:There's a A cyclist who works in Beverly but lives in one of the towns south of here. Maybe they have used a mixed mode Transportation. They take the commuter rail or bus the Beverly and the They were they work in Beverly and they might carry the bike with them and then when they get to Beverly get off and Ride The Last Mile by bicycle. So when we go when we do our advocacy work and advocacy for Say a laws and signage and bicycle 60:09 Terrence Date: you 60:12 Roger Woodbury: accommodations. We want to make sure that we take into account people who?Are lower income people or people of color people who might not be even own a cell phone for instance. And so when we do our we get our word out by we've been usually social media extensively we want to make sure we're not sure that we're reaching everybody equally and we're we like the LA B where an organization that is comprised. Mostly of older white men. So this year we're undertaking a membership drive. That's event-based. We're going to start with Online events initially and hopefully as the we progress in the pandemic will be able to have in-person events, which we recognize as key to that. Now last summer two City councilors expressed an interest and working with us. Stacy Ames was interested in having US participate and do a Bike Rodeo as part of a neighborhood event in ward 3, which I think is a very good idea. So trying to figure out how we can do that sort of thing. And during a pandemic. I think we really need to wait until the vaccines are widely distributed, but we're looking forward to being able to do that and partner with. All of the the awards and all the people they're not isn't a It's the neighborhood for the Cove. neighborhood. So we wanted Reach out to people and get our message out to all the neighborhoods and particular the education of safe cycling. Now Sergeant Hanbury has been in touch with us with me and Jonathan South specifically. About having a grant that they applied for and the idea is to do some education at the middle school. So, I think that's a really good thing and we're hoping to be able to work with the Beverly Police Department on that. I'm just going to go look at my my notes Here. I was rushing through this and I don't know how much time I've taken up, but I want to at least some time for people to ask some questions. So yeah, I mentioned commuting and infrastructure enhancements and also people with disabilities. And our membership Drive I talked about that. The speaker series is coming up. The speaker series is going to be really diverse and we're in terms of the speakers area of expertise. One of the speakers is a former. Principal player on the bicycle committee. I tall ball who wrote a book about Major Taylor a black cyclist in the 1800s from Worcester. And I personally haven't heard his presentation play understand. He does a really interesting presentation and it was an award-winning book. the so Let's see. I did. So getting back to that. First point that I made about we don't know what we don't know. We asked us as a what's the what's the demographics for Beverly?We don't know. We don't know how many people were just starting to get a feel for how many people commute to Beverly and drive cars in Beverly and if we can we have a goal of maybe you may making Beverly more cycle bicycle friendly so that more people will be Taking bikes instead of cars or people who don't have cars will feel safe on the streets so that they can feel that they can use a bicycle to get to their destination. We looked at so I looked at the census and I found not surprisingly Beverly's 88.5% white or non-hispanic. I was kind of surprised at the next one I said. This is the 2020 census 91% of households have a computer. So it's surprised that it was. So low, I would expect it higher. and then I associate, you know, I've lived in Beverly for 20 years and I didn't realize that. The next is 9.3% of the people are living at the poverty level or below the poverty level. and interesting thing I found out was 10.2% speak language other than English at home and that language is not Spanish primarily. It's it's it's maybe one quart one quarter to half Spanish in there other. There's a lot of northern European. people of that 10% the living Beverly immigrants so we trying to get I get to trying to get to know what we don't know. And we're interested in the human rights committee and being Partners so that really so you can we can learn more about doing our job as advocates better and reaching people. more equitably for all cyclists 66:49 Terrence Date: yeah, but 66:50 Roger Woodbury: because that that is in our mission. It's it's right there at the top of our mission is for for all cyclists and Beverly so I guess. I kind of rushed through my points, but the people have questions about what were like committee is up to what we're doing why we exist. Jonathan did you want to chime in with anything? Jonathan if you're speaking we can't hear you. Oh. You need somebody to let him back in the meeting he had to. Leave the meeting and he just texted me. 67:45 Terrence Date: I don't 67:45 Roger Woodbury: I don't know if 67:45 Beverly Human Rights Committee: Okay. I'm not saying it was time to get in 67:47 Terrence Date: I'm not. 67:47 Beverly Human Rights Committee: again, but I'll keep an eye out for him. 67:50 Roger Woodbury: okay. 67:50 Kirsten Lydic:Whose name? 67:51 Beverly Human Rights Committee: Hey Roger, if you couldn't a chat, I'd love for you to share that author's name that you had mentioned. And then I noticed on your Facebook page. You have a meeting coming up Monday 67:59 Roger Woodbury: Oh. 68:00 Beverly Human Rights Committee: night at seven o'clock. 68:02 Roger Woodbury:Yep. 68:03 Beverly Human Rights Committee: If anything would be interested in attending that. 68:05 Roger Woodbury: Okay, that's cool. I haven't posted the zoom link for that yet, but I will and I'm going to make an additional post. So you see the event and they'll be a second post that gives more details. But so I just need to find chat. I don't see it sit down at the bottom. 68:36 John LeLacheur: Up on the top right corner at a clock. You're gonna see the chat. It's like a little piece of paper 68:45 Roger Woodbury: Okay. I'm going to turn it. 68:49 John LeLacheur:you see 68:50 Roger Woodbury:the other way 68:51 John LeLacheur:We'll see the sit up on the right body screen. You'll see the clock to see 32 participants and a little piece of paper looking with a little Green Dot. That's the check click on that. 69:05 Roger Woodbury:You know what? I don't see it. So I'll just tell you his name is Todd Todd. about b a I f 69:14 Terrence Date: you 69:17 Roger Woodbury: and he's a Beverly resident and if 69:17 Beverly Human Rights Committee:All right. 69:20 Roger Woodbury:you just you go on Amazon. See his book for sale. And I guess he's still quite a few copies of it. It's very popular book. and Major Taylor was An incredible athlete and in his day, he just dominated the sport. Of course. It was just a single speed bicycle racing track bikes, but so a picture photo of him and he's really he looks like a real athlete. He looks like I I wouldn't want to be trying to keep up with him. I'm like, you know. so 70:03 Beverly Human Rights Committee: Cajun I noticed in the chat. I think Stacy Ames wanted to chime in 70:07 Caja Johnson:Yes. 70:07 Beverly Human Rights Committee: or ask a question. 70:08 Caja Johnson:Yeah, I noticed that too 70:09 Leah Jones: Sorry Paul,just real quick. 70:09 Beverly Human Rights Committee: Okay. 70:11 Leah Jones: I think Sergeant hennenberries trying to get into the meeting also. I don't know if 70:17 Beverly Human Rights Committee: Okay. Yeah not getting any admit requests. So 70:21 Leah Jones: Okay, I'll go back to give him okay? 70:22 Beverly Human Rights Committee: Okay. Thank you. 70:26 Caja Johnson: I did put cards email and the in the chat and Roger if you would want to send me. 70:37 Stacy Ames:you 70:40 Caja Johnson: Send me the link I can I can also forward that along. 70:47 Roger Woodbury: Okay, the links for I've got links for the league of American bicyclists and mass bike. And what else? Do you need links for? 71:07 Caja Johnson:And I think that that was it. I'm not sure if there if you had said there was a YouTube link or something. but if you want 71:21 Roger Woodbury: I said I can't remember what I said this through a lot of a lot of posts on YouTube about something but 71:29 Caja Johnson: yeah, you just want to send it to my 71:29 Roger Woodbury: Don't remember. 71:31 Caja Johnson: email and then I can I can move it 71:33 Roger Woodbury:Yeah. 71:34 Caja Johnson: along so that it um, we're able to get it out to everyone. 71:39 Roger Woodbury: Okay. 71:39 Caja Johnson: If that okay. 71:41 Roger Woodbury:Yeah. 71:42 Caja Johnson: Okay, Stacey. Sorry about that. 71:46 Stacy Ames:Thank you. 71:48 Roger Woodbury: Hi, Stacy. 71:48 Stacy Ames: Good evening. Everyone. Yeah. Hi we um. a a bunch of folks in the Gloucester Crossing neighborhood met with some bike committee people up at holcroft Park, and I think we were talking about A Bike Rodeo up there, that would be fun for the neighborhood kids and also offer some service in terms of just some bike tune-ups or or minor repairs I think 72:19 Roger Woodbury: correctly 72:19 Stacy Ames: I think with the schools with the police department, you know, obviously for the kids who want them to be safe on a safe piece a safe machine. with a helmet and that's why this Grant from the police department so important but I I also I know for a fact that a bike can also be an important economic component for a person's livelihood if you can't import a car. a bike means a lot so he I think that there are places for the bike committee and concert with other parts of the city city government to even try to get more bikes into people's hands of all ages wherever possible and to keep them running and I think the work the committee does in terms of making sure that we have safer roads as we plan is also, you know, really part of economic Justice for the city. 73:19 Roger Woodbury:You great. 73:19 Stacy Ames: So that was all I really am looking forward to working with them and the next year. 73:24 Roger Woodbury:Yeah, and there is some effort that we're launching on this year for two of the things that you mentioned. The the repairs are teaching kids how to do their own repairs. And also I'm looking into Free bikes or loan a bike or other programs which were this year were just we're putting more energy into efforts. We've talked about this in the past. But hoping to really get some enthusiasm and with our membership Drive get more people involved because we realize it takes a lot of people to do these things and I'm excited that with the proposed Program at the middle school that Sergeant Heber is talking about that will hit the users who are actually just by an informal count of just going around on a school day and Counting the bikes in the bike racks. The middle school on kids are the biggest users. They're not old enough to drive cars yet. And it's a great way to teach them the rules of the road before they even get to be driving a car and responsibility. and The kids teach kids and other kids and it just it's I think it's a better they become better car drivers later. But if they learn the rules of the road from a bike So I think it's a really good public safety issue. And yeah, it's an equity thing too economic equity, you know. Come. Thank you. 75:13 Caja Johnson: Thanks for our drive. Just looking at the chat and I'm just seeing Paul and zico's. How are you Paul? He's just asking I does the bike committee except donated used bikes and good condition. 75:28 Roger Woodbury:Yeah, we will that's it. We'll be looking to do that. Exactly. Yeah, we in the past we had supported an out-of-town group called by snot bombs. That did that but those spice were not distributed locally. They would often there were since well the initial Charter that was to send them to third world countries and we thought that what we want to do is accept buy some good condition and you know give them a safety check and then I have a earn a bike program. Perhaps the kids learn how to repair their bikes and they earn a bike. So That's the the idea. So we're hoping to get that off the to join the committee and help out ground this year and if anyone wants with that, that's awesome. Or if you know anybody who would like to join us. We're you know, we are a bunch of old white guys, but we're open to working with anybody who's some wants to Advocate this 76:31 Caja Johnson: Thanks. Thanks Roger. 76:33 Roger Woodbury:Yeah. 76:33 Caja Johnson: Um Paul that was a great question. Thank you for that and Stacey. I just wanted to Echo especially right now. I think it's also important for people for livelihood and just for people to to not be in their house in front of a screen and people aren't able to see each other as we would normally and so I just wanted to to Echo that that is very important. Thank you so much. Council And so I'm just looking at the chat and I Kirsten Christ Kirsten. Um And I believe Jason. 77:15 Kirsten Lydic:Yeah. 77:15 Caja Johnson:Are just asking hi. Hi asking um to speak. 77:25 Kirsten Lydic:Yeah, is that right to introduce any topic now? 77:31 Caja Johnson:Yeah. You can. 77:33 Kirsten Lydic: Okay. Yeah, so I am a bit embarrassed about the blue lives matter flag on low throat and hail in the cemetery crossed from a corner variety. And I just have to imagine. That Beverly is not a very welcoming place to minorities who live here or are coming through here. And yeah, I'm just hoping maybe I don't know. We can take down. Things like that that are on public ground or ad. black lives matter or other You know. Yeah other more welcoming sort of. Public materials on public grounds. I understand. There's like a the Beverly Police Department like owns, I guess like its own grave there. Yeah, and that's where the flag is. But it's right next to like an American flag and like the two flags are very prominent in the cemetery. And I just think it's not a good look. Um, yeah, I think so. Hi. Um, You live on that corner, and we've noticed, you know people who come to Dane Street beach a public beach from outside of Beverly, you know, they drive, you know, probably across the bridge from Salem and see a massive black or blue lives matter flag on their way in and then they come to the beach and they walk up to the corner store and see a prominent blue lives matter flag and like no where in Beverly on public ground or even like, you know, 79:23 Roger Woodbury: lot of yeah 79:24 Kirsten Lydic: argument and public spaces. It's There's no prominent sign. 79:27 Roger Woodbury: So I just I was going strong and I just I just mentioned you. 79:33 Caja Johnson: out project 79:34 Roger Woodbury: Oh, sorry. Okay. 79:35 Caja Johnson: you 79:35 Roger Woodbury:Yeah, I'll meet myself holding. 79:36 Caja Johnson: Okay, sorry. 79:38 Roger Woodbury: right Yeah. 79:41 Caja Johnson: Sorry about that Kirsten. 79:43 Kirsten Lydic: That's okay. Yeah, I think that's basically yeah, that's all we have to say. We've noticed it and we wanted to raise it for for discussion as well. Yeah, we would like to live here like forever maybe but like it's just hard to do that hard to like justify doing that as Yeah, like a white person who like cares about the world. So yeah, it's not a very diverse area. I attended some of those meetings on Race a few months ago. And I remember hearing that I think there's only one black teacher Beverly Public Schools. 80:21 Caja Johnson: yeah, that's 80:22 Kirsten Lydic:Yeah, I I want. Sorry, I want to want to raise a family here. Like I love Beverly I just like right now. I don't think it's good enough. Yeah, that's a lot of work to be done. I think I'm that area. We've noticed just Within. You know, we haven't been living here for very long and and we've noticed this is a serious issue that we clashed with our community about and we know that you know, there are people who share the same values as us here and they're just not a lot of clear Collective action that we know how to be a part of to help it Blossom more. 81:00 Caja Johnson: Thank you so much Kirsten and Jason. I just want to say that I commend you both for coming and speaking and and saying something because a lot of people don't have the courage to do that. I just want to say that and I also want to say that I completely agree. This has been um discussed. This is Ben brought up and I'm actually glad that the mayor is here and I'm glad that the the chief is here as well in Sergeant Costa mayor Cahill. Did you want to respond to Kirsten and Jason? 81:47 Michael Cahill: Sure. Thanks Kasia. folks it's good to see you and thanks for being here and to share and what you're what you're thinking and feeling we've been engaged in this conversation often on for a while now. You are right in that. The property is privately owned. It's a plot in the cemetery that is owned by the Beverly police relief Association. They own both flag poles in both Flags. there is a there's a lot of there's a lot of deep feeling. Kind of on several levels here. There's a belief. of some in the police community that their Thin Blue Line flag was unfairly appropriated by By white supremacists, there's a feeling of people in the community who see the flag like you do and feel hurt by it and see it as a symbol of something that we shouldn't have in Beverly. So I mean I can tell you that. We've had this conversation in the human rights setting. Chief and I have had this conversation Chief and members of the department and I and members of the department have and I you know, I thank you for bringing it up because I think there are. You know, I want to join with our police officers in honoring their colleagues and predecessors who are no longer with us and family members loved ones who are no longer with us and my hope is that we'll at some point see a different way to honor them than the flag. That's there now. 83:41 Kirsten Lydic:Yeah. 83:46 Caja Johnson: Thank you. Mayor, Cahill. Oh, I'm sorry Leah. Um. 83:52 Leah Jones: I just I heard our I I really appreciate um, I feel like some of these conversations too need to be kept on the table. Um, we've had I feel like we're I hope you find as residents. You know, I can say I think some things are getting better but it really is the people who you know, we talk about something like these stickers that's not better, you know, and I think some things we found that felt like National issues are really just about us in our neighbors and their things that were really trying to work on and to listen to you know, black indigenous people of color and we have some amazing leadership in Beverly that it'll be really cool if you have a chance to I was just trying to think out loud when you said you weren't sure how to participate and get to know like-minded people and I and I I think that is a great way to kind of to keep some of those issues going is to get involved with groups and find groups that do that and I think anybody here in this group is an open friend and is willing to talk to you about any of this stuff and also maybe suggest a group or like a place where you can continue the conversation, but I just wanted to also comment keija for keeping that conversation alive, you know, we still Some of us are hanging black lives matter Flags in our yards because we'd love to see something in the city and we feel like that conversation Still Still Alive. It is still ongoing. And I you know, I thank the mayor for always being open and the door is truly always open. I mean and the chief as well and it's it's they're busy, but the doors are open. So, um, I don't know I just wanted to Say please do join those groups. Please do find, you know, we have leadership of color black leaders in Beverly that are Helping us move in directions. We need to move and we're having lots of difficult conversations and we're here in this group to have them and to keep having them. So thank you for being here. I just wanted to say that. 86:02 Caja Johnson: Thanks so much Leah just to Echo what Leah said, this is a safe place. And you know, I really like Jason that you said that and you two Kirsten not just about the possibility of it being taken down, but that really when people are coming to this popular Beach that it would be nice if they saw in addition to even like a black lives matter flag or a pride Flagger something other than just that and I really like that, you know, you're looking at it from different perspectives to say not just it needs to come down. But is there some is there anything else that we can do just to offset these these emotions and feelings that people may or may not have so thank you again. 86:56 John LeLacheur: Cases like can I speak to this for one second? 86:59 Caja Johnson:Absolutely chief. 87:01 John LeLacheur: So again, just some history to that again that is not owned by the police department. It's a private organization. And that's why I came about as we all know back in 2014 when five Dallas police officers were murdered when they were protecting a black lives matter March. That's when that flight was adult developed by a person in Dallas to use it as a memorial for the five offices murdered and it has been you know, you know taken by the groups and it's it's extremely unfortunate. The memorial flag is it was started to be so I've actually had conversations today with some what members of the relief and and I'm still working on this as we speak. 87:45 Caja Johnson: Thank you so much Chief. I'm glad that you did speak on that and this has been a conversation that I have also had with the mayor and the chief and it it, you know, it's on the table and I think that we're very fortunate to have the leadership that we do have in Beverly because you know, they are listening they're paying attention and you know, the work is being done. So um If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to reach out to the both of you. Regarding this issue just so that we can. Continue to follow up and and and continue to to talk about it if that's okay. 88:35 Kirsten Lydic:Absolutely. Yeah, that'd be great. 88:37 Caja Johnson:All right, great. Great. 88:39 Kirsten Lydic: Thank you everyone for responding. 88:44 Caja Johnson: all right, so mayor Cahill, I know that we have the the use of force draft that was released and given out and I didn't know if you or chief or the combination of we both wanted to address that. 89:03 Michael Cahill: Sure. I'll I'll start up first if I could say Carol, I see a question you put in the chat. I don't know the answer to that. Do you mind do you mind meet you now to me tomorrow and I'll ask that? That's okay. Yeah, it's it's a it's a good and interesting question. So yes Casia, we you all remember that. I made a commitment back in the the early summer that we would review our use of force policy make any updates that seem needed and and and share it out to the community for a conversation. Since that time we have spent a lot of time internally trying to turn to work with it and and answer a lot of questions for ourselves and and then in in the process the state debate around police reform really kicked in and so we can kind of trying to refine the the some of the key We did finally put it out recently. points. I hope you've all the chance to to look at it. If you haven't we can get at you a copy and I'm pretty sure it's on the website, but we can get your copy too and your inbox of anybody anybody who asks. One of the things we did was you know, we immediately looked to the eight can't wait measures that had been much talked about in promoted and recommended. Several of them. We were already doing in our existing use of force policy. And as I said, we've we've looked hard at everything in addition. The state law was passed as as I think many of you have not all of you know,just in the last week. Chief and our legal department have been spending time, you know trying to read through the the new legislation and and Really kind of interpret and get on top of what it means. And I also know and chief will give a little more information on this that among other things the model use of force policy that is put out by the accreditation organization regionally is under review. And so there may be some further changes in the model policy, which is the basis is what of what local cities and towns police departments use for their own policy. So we we had understood that this was a draft and even more so as Chief is getting really regular updates from the mass Chiefs, you know, kind of reinforcing that there will be likely more language changes in the model policy, which likely we want to bring into our policy that that said. On the eight can't wait just a quick snapshot of this and then I'll turn to Chief to give you a few more details in our policy the ban choke holds and strangleholds. Well that that has been passed as part of the state law. So our draft now bans chokeholds requiring de-escalation all good, you know all best practice in all departments already requires de-escalation efforts in all instances. That's not to say that it's always possible but you'll see that reflected in our policy and it's also reflected in the training that we do with our police officers on a regular basis. Require warning before shooting you'll see language in hours. It's that that calls for a warning unless it's not possible and there you can imagine instances where there's no time to give a warning or when an officer might be on the receiving end of of an attack and so, you know, they it doesn't always fit. But certainly it's a value to give a warning whenever it's whenever it's possible and safe to do so requiring exhausting all Alternatives before shooting that also is already in our policy and I think you know kind of it fits with the de-escalation efforts and it fits with the thrust of both our local and and Statewide training both training requirements that come down each year from the state and and trainings we choose to add to our to our mix a duty to intervene. Our policy did not have that we have added that in the draft proposal. I'm an affirmative duty to intervene by an officer who reasonably That I'll leave the language to Chief the duty to intervene if an officer believes that a fellow officer is is unreasonable in the use of force. Band shooting and moving Vehicles. There are a lot of nuances here and we may end up wanting to look at the language together and chief will give you some some of the details there but where to go. Requiring a use of force continuum that's a part of our draft and comprehensive reporting. I think these things both already were and are and also just to kind of reinforce you folks. Not only is this still draft. This is just the first conversation. We will we will schedule in the near future whenever it's you know, most timely an additional Community conversation around the policy and we'll do our best to make sure that it's a you know on a platform and at a time that we can have the maximum of of community participation. So let me turn it to Chief for now and I know he has some things to share. Thanks Kasia. 94:32 John LeLacheur:figure on yeah, basically all of the things that were in The police Reform Act or the policy that's now put out a draft we were doing anyway and no one in Massachusetts is ever been taught at Chokehold. I did a police officer was 40 years and gone through three separate academies and it's never taught has never been taught. So somewhere else in the country other parts of the country may have been taught but it's something that was never has never taught and never utilized anywhere that I have ever worked so that that That's that the shooting at a moving Vehicles is a is a tough one in the mirror. And I and this is Williams a city school set of you know, I got a lot of conversation. I try to explain that. And try to take a look at multiple scenarios if anybody remembers the terrorist attack in France a few years ago or a gentleman got in a truck and decided driving down a roadway and ran over like 300 people. Well a French police had a shoot into that vehicle to stop that act. So that that's a case would be allowed. If someone had just you know committed a Multiple homicide was trying to flee the scene and the office felt that the only way they could stop that person who could potentially cause further death death Death That may be an instance where they would have to, you know, try to take some type of lethal action to stop that individual. But if the vehicle is driven away from and it's 30, 40 50 yards down the road you would not you know shoot at that vehicle because the possibility of taking that person to custody then is really going away. So there's a lot of different nuances and training that that we do scenario training. That we do to try to take in as many situations we can as far as warning shots go. I've been shot at three times at no time that anybody give me a warning that should they just shot at me and I was able to get out of the way luckily so that many many police shootings the officers the second one involved in the incident, they're fired upon first and there's this no time to give a warning you have to react So that that isn't it obviously? Giving a warning is always preferred and when can be done we and we do that. It's part of our training when we go to the range whether it be with the Firearms taser OC spray the rifle training everybody is trained to de-escalate you give commands the person dropped the weapon to back up to we're not stop resisting arrest whatever the case may be. It's things we were doing now, it's just written harder to the policy. So that's that's very important. You know, we we've certainly and I've read most of the kind of edits that that that came in from from various people and looking at it and just understand we cannot edit the policy. There are a lot of suggestions made on on different things that policy is written by the starts with the accreditation for law enforcement Council which is which is a national agency. It's vetted through the International Association of chiefs of police the Massachusetts occurred Nation committee and it's written based on US Supreme Court decisions in Massachusetts and Supreme Court decisions. These decisions are written by the the brightest men and women in the world US Supreme Court judges, and that's why the language is the way it is and certain things are put in the steps that they are. We just can't turn around and change the policy because it's best practices if we go around and change a policy. It's best practice. It puts us out of best practice and we wouldn't be able to go Accreditation but there are still things that we're looking at in that policy that works some things that came up. There was suggested that we're certainly going to look at. and again, I got an email late today from from Chief Kai's who's the chief of Chelsea who's on the accreditation committee and language that they had put into the policy prior to the Reform Bill coming out and then they made it a change after the police Reform Bill was signed by the governor. And now they're going to make another change to that because it when they start to vetted through the different Chiefs on the committee and the lawyers they decide well, we have to change a little bit. So it's an ongoing process in part of police accreditation, which we are going for. There's 83 separate policies that we have to comply with and this being one of them and anytime there's a change to any policy every office. It has to be made aware of the change that we trained on the change. They have to they have to know there was a change. So these are the things we we've actually purchased a computer program that's going to help us track all of these. So on a policies change an email goes to the office that they have to Open up the policy. They have to acknowledge. They've read it. Some policies will test them on they have to pass the test and and then it'll be marked in a computer database so we can follow they've got the proper training. So that's that's what we're heading with all of this and again eventually through accreditation a lot of our policies. Will be on the website to be for people to review not all of them. Some of them may have to do a tactic. So things to that effect How We Do investigations but a lot of the policies will be open for the General Public. 99:57 Caja Johnson: Thank you Chief. I just I'm looking at the chat and I'm just wondering Esther. There's there's some great. There's some great points that you have brought up. I didn't know if you were available or willing to speak. We'd love to to hear from you. Esther I think if you're if you're talking I think you're muted. Are you? Okay, so she said no. Thank you. All right. Thank you Esther. Um Leah did you want to address? 100:41 Leah Jones: Um, I just I just thought Esther brought up a really good point that I think is on the minds of a lot of people in our country today and kind of connects to the use of force question is just Why we've seen such different and I I don't need to reiterate the way Esther eloquently put it but why we saw such different approaches to the black lives matter protests, which was standing up for human rights and then you know a gentle escorting of you know something and I know that that doesn't reflect on what our police departments doing, but it is a question. I think that our police forces uniquely positioned to help reassure the community and talk to us about why that wouldn't happen here in Beverly and I'm you know, I don't want to speak for Aster but I I think that was a point that is really timely and important to bring into this 101:39 John LeLacheur: you 101:40 Leah Jones: conversation. And I think she said it better than I could have but cage I saw Carol asked to speak to this. um 101:51 Caja Johnson: Thank you Leah. Thank you so much. 101:55 John LeLacheur: connect 101:56 Caja Johnson: Oh, sorry. 101:59 John LeLacheur: hey, can I just really quickly so you know, I think that and maybe some misconception if you saw a hundred days of riding in Portland. And and very few arrests there. If you saw in Seattle 10 city blocks taken over a police station, totally vandalized and destroyed very very few arrests there. I think the capital police were outnumbered. I think that there's some leadership issues there but there were 52 offices injured in that they're still some in the hospital. If you see some of the videos that have been released there was they they were fighting for their lives and they were tremendously outnumbered now. You know. I think that both in all these situations are horrific. I think that the attack on the capital terrific and I think that the you know It certainly something we have to look at but I don't think that people necessarily treated differently. I think that what happened yesterday one of things they're trying to look at is there was a demonstration up on the eclipse. There were never supposed to go near the capital and then they ended up going to the Capitol which was just you know, an outrageous thing that happened. So I think there's a lot to look at in this whole thing, but It's I don't think any group has been has been singled out. You know, I read an article recently of like I said the hundred days of writing and Portland they were very few of any prosecutions and that whole city was almost destroyed. So there's a lot of problems in the country. Nationally. I mean, I think this region is totally different from other parts of the country. I just I get emails numerous emails from intelligence sources in the Massachusetts is 75 people demonstrating in Boston right now peacefully, they went from the capital and they're downtown. So I think I think things are different here, but it's certainly things we have to look at this is gonna be a long National conversation. 104:04 Michael Cahill: Keisha do you mind if I I know Carol's maybe after Carol, I'd like to just jump in. 104:12 Caya Johnson: I'm sure thank you. Mayor Kahl for letting I'm Carol. Carol Carol if you're talking we can hear you. Oh, you're muted. Okay. 104:34 Scott Houseman: here 104:37 Caya Johnson: can 104:39 Beverly Human Rights Committee:Yeah, Carol, you have to unmute yourself. I don't have the unbilly ability to unmute or meet people from here. 104:48 Michael Cahill: Carol can you can you see the the the microphone I microphone icon at the bottom of your screen? is if you can that that's 104:59 Scott Houseman: Move your cursor go to the bottom of your screen and it'll pop up. in red 105:04 John LeLacheur:You can also hit you can also hit 105:04 Caya Johnson: I'm trying to. 105:07 John LeLacheur: control D on your keyboard control D. We'll turn your microphone on. 105:11 Caya Johnson: I'm trying to change my screen so I can see. Maybe the there's something I can do. 105:23 Esther Ngotho:you 105:24 Caya Johnson: No, I don't think that there's nothing I can do. Um well Carol while you're on muting mayor Cahill, oh, it won't work. She's saying it. 105:37 Michael Cahill: They maybe maybe failing that Carol can are you willing to type in in the chat again what you would hope to settle out or? now 105:47 Caya Johnson: Um, Paul, would it be possible if you would I think you already? shared your cell, but maybe we can if you could work with Carol to see if we can get our unmuted. 106:03 Beverly Human Rights Committee: Of course. Yeah. 106:06 Caya Johnson: Thank you so much Paul. I'm just while we're waiting a mayor Cahill. Did you want to add a comment? 106:18 Michael Cahill: sure. Thanks Kasia. Chief a I want to go back to it. Esther had typed in the chat. 106:26 Carole Rein: Oh, okay. 106:27 Michael Cahill: Oh Carol got good. 106:28 Carole Rein: now 106:29 Esther Ngotho: Okay. 106:30 Carole Rein: didn't attempt so somebody changed something. Okay, thank you. So a couple of things Chief little later that I was one of the group of people who sent in all of those suggestions. I want to tell you it looks like a huge number and it is but a lot of those suggestions were for highlighting information that we really loved and wanted to see emphasized. Is that something that you would be able to do so without changing the wording just emphasize some things? 107:06 John LeLacheur: It actually that's something that we've that's going back and forth. That's something we can certainly look at. Yes. 107:10 Carole Rein: Okay, and the one area where many people?Were I I'm going to use the word upset. On page 8 the section that says dealing with emotionally disturbed persons or physically disabled. So I want to mention a couple of things about that. first why would emotionally disturbed persons and physically disabled be lumped together? concerning the potential for violence that they seem to me to be too very different groups of people. also the language with it using emotionally disturbed persons is very archaic. as opposed to using people with whatever else you want you want to say. So I have a hard time believing that language is up to date. And the words we use. Change how we think about people. That's something that's very real. So the language is really important. Um, I hope that people get a chance to really look through all of our comments. Many of us spent a long time looking at it. And putting them together to send to you. So thank you for letting me speak. I will leave it at that. Thank you. 108:58 John LeLacheur: Okay. Now that's one of the areas we've actually were looking at prior to the mirror and I remember specifically talking about the language in the verbage. And again, I did focus on a lot of those comments and it's it's certainly something we're going to look at in revisions. 109:15 Carole Rein:Thank you. 109:18 Caja Johnson:thank you so much Carol, and I did look over those comments and very very so much thought went into that and you did a wonderful job at not only pointing out things that could be different or better but also pointing out things that are that were excellent and that we could use more of so, thank you much Carol mayor Cahill. 109:50 Michael Cahill:Yes. Thanks Asia. And and I'll just add I also read through the all the comments and you know went back to where they're referred to and and then I got the same the same email sent to me several more times with the same comments. So I'm not sure I'll read it every single time. But if we you know, I've looked at all over and we'll go back and look at it. Again. The one thing I'll say on the the suggestions of highlighting different pieces of the language. Chief and and Ms. Williams our city solicitor and I we had many different things highlighted and then not highlighted and finally took all the highlights out before we put it out in front of you folks and Really? The reason is, you know, we could all come up with different language to highlight that the reality is our police officers are bound to learn and know every word of that policy and to to implement it and so, you know, I mean I'm thinking aloud with you here Carol. I'm not sure that we ultimately shorter will highlight but just think about that as we're thinking about it as well. So any of that that's one piece. The other one is Chief. I want to ask you to look with me at Esther's common in the chat because really at the end of the comment she poses a question which you know for you, which I think is is something that you you know, you probably answer frequently. You know just in terms of how our officers apply, you know, the the components of the the use of force policy and how they utilize their training and and they deal with situations on the job in the field. So the language here is Chief John, please tell us byproduct how you will make your officers restrain themselves against using force on people of color and the reason you know, I think it's it's something that is natural again. It's It's about it's about utilizing. The tool they've been trained in the use of force policy. It's about utilizing their all the training and all their knowledge in the field. 111:59 John LeLacheur:Well again, specifically it's it's every person we come in contact with and one of the things I've emphasized. My entire time here in my entire career is for us to treat everybody equally and it doesn't matter if the person is anything that'll be treated equally and the least amount of force is used to affect an arrest and that's the way we train and that's how I expect my offices to perform. We one of the questions come up. Why were you handicapped copy a couple of compliant person because a compliant person's under arrest and they're going to jail and numerous times over the years people realize, you know, taking him out of the crews that are taking him into the station that they really going to jail and that's on the fight start the lot of a lot of Kicking and head budding and things like that go on and and there have been times in offices didn't handcuff individuals the Boston police officer shot and killed and the police station booking a prisoner. He took him out of the car had him on handcuffs a new shot and killed so, you know, there's a there's a million things that we do and my goal with this department. and all the other committees 1 113:17 Michael Cahill: Keisha if I could follow up I see 113:17 John LeLacheur:with regionally is we treat everybody equally and we and we use the 113:18 Michael Cahill:there's another question from Naomi 113:19 John LeLacheur: absolute least amount of force to effect and arrest. 113:21 Michael Cahill: down there and and I do want to make a point and then and then ask Chief to answer that question. This is not to Pat ourselves on the back in any way but we and I Look to counselor Houseman and councilor Rand because they've been part of building these budgets with us for the past seven years councilor Ames. She's going into her second budget season. When when we took office. I I came in as mayor in January of 2014 the city at that time was spending about 85,000 dollars a year on training for police officers. There was an additional 75,000 that came from the state every year that was called the 911 training funds. This year we're spending it's either 210 or 215,000 as opposed to 85 in City funds and we get nut. We got 99,000 this year in state funds. And so the reason for that is is we've collectively had put a high value on training for our police officers. And there is a there's a an annual program of training. Some of it is mandated by the state. There are more mandates than there used to be there will be and we're you know, we're working through the the language of the new law to see what's coming with that and we can share we can share the Training, you know program that shows what what how you know what was trained last year what's planning to plan to be trained this year? Before we meet next because I think that that really kind of dovetails in with this policy as well. And so so much of the training that our police undergo involves de-escalation techniques and learning some of it involves working with particular populations. I know we did a training or some of our officers did a training in how to interact with individuals on the Spectrum, you know, who it may have trouble understanding a situation. Maybe it get highly stressed and how is somebody going to present to Naomi's question the department didn't implicit bias training. I think the year before last but Chief maybe you can touch on that and maybe a little bit more in the training generally. 115:40 John LeLacheur: right, so every officer and even under the new standard has to have a minimum a minimum of 40 hours of in-service training 24 of those hours are set by the state and others and mandatory requirements such as CPR first responder, you know Firearms taser, right all that, but there's 24 hours of training that's changed every year through the council. So implicit bias training was was two years ago and it's actually mandated again this year. I actually just took the course to yesterday. I finished mine yesterday. So every officer has to go through a four-hour implicit bias training this year and also dealing with individuals with mental dismental. from crisis and then there's a floral block on office of wellness and safety and I off the top. I had I forget the other blocks of training that are set by the mptc but implicit bias training is specifically in this year's training for all offices mandatory. 116:42 Michael Cahill:You touch mptc. 116:42 Caja Johnson: Thanks. 116:44 Michael Cahill: Chief just folks understand what your referencing there. 116:46 John LeLacheur: I'm sorry. It's the Massachusetts police training Council. It comes on to the Executive Office of the Public Safety and Security I just want I didn't want to say eops. 116:57 Caja Johnson: Thank you. Thank you Chief. I am just Neil before I before I move on to Neil. I it looks like Neil has a a comment, but I just wanted to say that I would like to see more of the training on paper and data. It seems like there's a lot of training that that's going into the police department and I would really like to see that training being. Utilized in everyday job duties reflected with data and so as soon as possible, I would really like to see the data of the arrests that are being made. You know, how many of how many of the arrests that we're making in Beverly are people of color with a with a community that is predominantly white. Right. We want to I want to look at numbers. I want to I want to see that the training is actually trickling down to every day jobs. That's just a comment that I had and so 118:10 John LeLacheur: That's actually in case I just got the statistics for 2020 today. These are physical custody arrests. These aren't just summons as with physical custody arrests. There are 128 White. Individuals arrested 15 black one American Indian one Asian 42 Hispanic and one on one Middle Eastern and 16 unknowns. 118:34 Caja Johnson: Thanks Chief. That's on the whole year of 2020. 118:37 John LeLacheur: Great 20s. 118:38 Caja Johnson: Okay. and so um Neil I know that you've been wanting to say something if you want to. 118:46 Neil Levine:Yeah, I'm also cultures of the time and understand from the mayor that they'll be additional meetings. So I I don't want to hold Folks up. I can be brief. But what is your pleasure? 119:02 Michael Cahill: I think Neil is asking what how long you want the meeting to go tonight? 119:07 Caja Johnson: um So we're supposed to end at 8:30 that's not gonna happen. And so if folks have to go I can respect and understand that but I would like to give folks an opportunity to make a comment and respond and to continue the conversation, but I I'd like I'd like nine o'clock to be the that the ending point if possible. 119:37 Neil Levine: Okay, thank you. Okay, just first of all just to thank you and the committee for making the space and thank the mayor the police chief and the council folks that are here for being here as I had a chance to speak on this topic with the mayor about a month and a half ago. And Ted said that every time we create spaces at Community for these kinds of discussions, we we're the better for it. So and I think that's in the case tonight. I know I've learned a lot. I don't in any way think of myself as an expert in these matters, and so just a few observations. I would call attention to the first line of the policy that says that the Beverly Police Department. places the highest value On the sanctity of Life Safety of its officers protection of the public and respecting individual dignity and I think that's a wonderful place to start and similar to what Carol said. There's a reason to emphasize that and I went to the and I think in a similar spirit that Carol says is that wherever we can call those things out that we like I went to the website of the police department and saw the following Is it very much in the same vein, but language. even more expansive in its philosophy which is while maintaining respect for individual rights human dignity cultural diversity and Community Values. We pledge to sustain a working partnership with the community to protect life and property and maintain a safe and peaceful environment for all so I encourage everyone to sort of is that if if that is truly the ethos that we're looking for. I think it's there the mayor in the eight can't wait kind of called out the the things that jumped out at me in terms of things that are really necessary in the policy including the ban on chokeholds the affirmative duty to infer to intervene. I really thought it was good that it talks about use of force. But what is Proper use of force of warning shots directing people with with a or pointing a gun or prohibited practices. I think three issues that I would kind of frame up for subsequent discussion when there's more time to hear from the elected officials. And from the police is just to consider that the policy doesn't take place in a vacuum and I think you know Esther's comments really speak to the broader kind of experience of the community. It's shaped by the leadership the institutional history the Personnel who serve and the People Who oversee the policy and so I'd be very interested at a broader public meeting. What from the from the chief is your philosophy of policing under which this use of force comes by and you've alluded to it in terms of equality of treatment fairness discretion of the officer and similarly from the mayor. and the city council, what is your philosophy for policing and where does the use of force fit in so I hope you'll take the occasion of that to to share with the community that philosophy secondly in looking at the president's task force on 21 st century policing there's some really interesting language about a philosophy that looks to police as Guardians and not Warriors and I am thinking about that and looking at the Continuum of force where you have at the bottom of the pyramid a compliant subject and you are a guardian in essence solving a problem. And then as you move up that Continuum of force be careful to sustain as long as possible the philosophy of the Guardian Even as risk increases. At the ultimate and lastly Force those Warriors and even then it's a bad analogy because Wars war and this is not war and so I think the ethos of in that philosophy of what is seen as best practice today of seeing police as Guardians warians should be front of mind for this. The training I think the last things are about training and accountability. And I think the question I had is, you know, I learned tonight that any change in policy sworn to uphold immediately notified and trained on those. I just as a practical matter, how long does it take folks to go through training? I know that if they're not on the if they're in training, they're not on the street and just the Practical matter of how at what point would we expect all members of the Beverly police force to be trained and up to speed on the use of force and then lastly the comments about how do we know that this policy is working?And what Milestones are you setting out to see that we're accomplishing the goal. I think the last comments on you know numbers of officers strained and perhaps citizen surveys might be used and then lastly I really want to associate myself with the comments that Carol made about the Language on people with disabilities. I think this going back to Guardians versus Warriors the the use of language at others people is the first step to moving from Guardian to Warrior and that's something the I understand about the reasons why the policy is somewhat inviolate because it has it's really written by other people and it seems to me the suggestion of an accompanying document that is would be frequently asked questions that could be used as an informational document that you might have more Liberty to address this particulars of the Beverly community in a way isn't that would not be constrained by the authors who are really responsible for writing Doctrine and I understand why that is the case, but perhaps there's a creative way that for citizens to penetrate this information to become knowledgeable about it to understand and hold folks accountable. There could be some accompanying document that would address more specifically Of the issues that have been raised here tonight. Thank you all very much. 126:05 Caja Johnson: Thank you so much Neil for your for your comments Chief. Oh actually hello. 126:11 Michael Cahill:Yeah, I just kneel there's a lot there and some of it are questions and some of it are suggestions and I'd love if you wouldn't mind sending it my way in an email because well, there you go because you know, I do want to be responsive and you know and like my colleagues and in government want to be responsive. I'm sure you know in preparation for that next conversation that next public conversation and even in some back and forth with you in the meantime if that makes sense. Thanks. 126:46 Caja Johnson: Thanks me. Okay how I just wanted to thank you again nail for your comments and 1 126:49 Leah Jones: Oh. 126:53 Caja Johnson:just wanted to point out that Esther did. Put some more comments on the chat and chief. I know you have a lot to respond to right now, but I just want to point out the last comment that she made. um surround surrounding experience that she had and then if you if you wanted to address the last Comment that she put in. 127:23 John LeLacheur.Yeah, so that's when I have talked about this before she would just the car accident the officers arrived. They talked to the two drivers. The the mail driver was under suspension had a warrant for his arrest he was taken into custody again. It's something that we don't have any control over. We got a call for service to go to a call for service. The person had warrants for their arrest. They had to be taken into custody. And then I knew when I've never heard of before about an ambulance coming in and the person being intoxicating going in the ambulance. That's that's what we do. If a person requests detox so we can get into the hospital and go to the hospital. It doesn't matter who they are. It doesn't matter if they're a male female, you know white black. We're going to get them to help that They need help. they need and on the second part again. I think we're looking at the language like we've talked about, you know, the Carol brought up and a lot of people brought up in the comments on that section. And again they may and I remember specifically we talked about that when we read it, you know months ago. I think it's something We have to look at the specific language in bring it up to date and make it applicable to what we're trying to accomplish one of the thing. I did put in there. Also K's, right I gave you the wrong numbers when I gave you the numbers. I gave you the summons numbers and not the rest numbers. So for 2020 they're actually 214 total in custody arrests. 145 of those people white 34 black one age and 22 Hispanic three Middle East and nine unknown and a question came up about what's the population of Beverly but you also have to realize it a lot of people come into Beverly from outside the city to work to go to the different business and stuff. So we're not always we don't just the rest people from Beverly. We at least we arrest people that are in the city of Beverly commit crimes. So, you know, the statistics on percentage of individuals may not be exactly what the City's population is. But we we deal with a lot of people if you ever watch the train come up from Boston and all the people walk up to coming soon if you look at Cherry Hill and all the people come into work, so it's not just people in the city that we arrest we arrest people to commit crimes within the city. 129:45 Scott Houseman: Cajun 129:46 Beverly Human Rights Committee: a great pleasure muted 129:47 Michael Cahill: muted 129:48 Caya Johnson: Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that. I was I Sorry, so thank you Chief. Did you hear anything that I said? No? Okay, so I was just looking at the numbers and I just wanted to be clear when you say in custody arrests. I didn't know what what that meant and in comparison to arrest in general. 130:12 John LeLacheur: So there are times when we come across a person say for driving a driving this not having a driver's license. Technically they can be arrested and But a lot of times they just summons taken to the police station. the court. So it's they end up going to court. It's a misdemeanor case, but they're not actually brought into the station. There are certain cases where there's mandatory arrests people that have warrants domestic violence cases, you know, obviously, you know, serious assault cases felony cases. They're those people are arrested brought in process to the system. 130:46 Caya Johnson: do we have numbers on just the arrest 130:47 John LeLacheur: So that's the difference. 130:48 Caya Johnson: period and not just in custody just a general number of people that were put in cuffs whether they made it me 130:56 John LeLacheur:Yeah. 130:57 Caya Johnson:to the station whether they got into the police car and then we're just summons into court and then I'm just looking at I'm just looking at the numbers and I just want to make sure that I have it have it right and so it looks like there did you say they were 214 of us? 131:17 John LeLacheur: That 2014 arrest. Yes. 131:19 Caja Johnson: Okay, and then you said that?Was it 70 or 80 of those where people of color? 131:27 John LeLacheur: now 34 131:30 Caja Johnson: But then you said there were 22 Hispanic, right? 131:35 John LeLacheur:Yes. 131:35 Caja Johnson: Okay, and then so that that's a dish because that's considered a person of color too. So, I just want to we can talk more about this offline. What I would like to see ideally is that at every human rights committee meeting Chief and I don't know if you're okay with this if the data is public information, I would really like to take a look at the data. 131:56 Leah Jones:you 131:58 Caja Johnson: I'm just at every meeting if possible. I don't know if you're open to that. 132:07 John LeLacheur: Now we can say look we can certainly 132:07 Caja Johnson:fear 132:08 John LeLacheur: look at the data. That's not that's not a problem. 132:10 Caja Johnson: Sorry, Leah. 132:12 Leah Jones:And just to add just I guess to add another question or a request and I think this just Builds on what Esther? Neil Cajun others have been saying I think some of it is is like both with the data and the policy. I think what a resident of Beverly might might appreciate is sort of an understanding like putting it into context because I hear you know, there was implicit bias training and that sounds great, but it will be awesome to do more of the kind of small group discussion where you're maybe at a CAC meeting or a human rights committee meeting if if officers would be willing to say this is what it meant to me. You know, this is what it means to my job to get implicit bias training. I don't really know, you know, I can guess what it is, but I don't really know what it means and it is it just something that you've thrown in or is it something that's really meaningful. Is it something that's eye-opening does it change every year? So I've kind of interested in that and then same thing with the data. I could hear. You know and I think having another interesting conversation with Sergeant Costa who is a data person. It'd be great to have you know, when the data is presented to say and it's and it isn't mean that to be under attack if the data isn't what You know, it'd be really nice to hear from from the maybe Beverly Police Department. Look at this isn't what we want. And this is why or like this is a good number and this is why or like this data compares to the rest of the state for this reason or kind of putting it in context to not to tear it apart or to make a judgment on it. But just so we understand what the numbers mean because I could say I could hear something and think it sounds great. Someone else could think it sounds not great, but just to have a shared. Understanding of what the data means and what the training means and kind of what it means to a human person. Thank you. 134:04 Caja Johnson: Thank you Leah. Um, and so thank you chief for being willing to bring that data to the human rights committee meetings because I do think that it's relevant and important and I think that it ties hand in hand with the committee. So thank you so much for that. And I know where we're pressed for time, but I just wanted to also.just take a second to talk about what happened last night because I think that it is it is on a lot of people's mind mines. And I know that Esther brought it up and I think that it's important that we reflect on that and and that we call it exactly what it is. I think that if we can be truthful and we can be honest. I think that we that leads to action and I think that's where we want to be in a place of action moving towards unity. And so and you know so well for just for right now, I think that you know, it's not really a time to there's a time and a place for everything and I think that to reflect upon officers who have committed to a job and you know, unfortunately things do happen in that line of work. I think that right now the time and places to reflect on the most vulnerable population, especially after what happened and all of that hate and so I think it's important that I think that's what Esther what the place that she was coming from is that you know, we really want to make sure that we're being open and honest about that and and You know, I think that sometimes we can we can separate these categories and we can get into well, well, you Well, you know black people die, but no but well police officers died, but you know, we can we can keep doing that we can just keep going with that. But I think it's really important to know that you know, when you're when you're born black you just born black and so I didn't sign up to be black. Right? Like that's just what I am and I think that you know, unfortunately and the line of work there there are nurses every day. Unfortunately that are Contracting AIDs that are you know in these really tough jobs that are that are that are dying, you know, and and that are putting themselves out there firefighters that have signed up to put their life on the line and and their hard jobs their hard hard jobs, but I think in terms of In terms of unity and human rights. I think it's important that the time and the place now is to focus on focus on that. And so I just wanted to say that and so Esther I don't know if you're if you're willing to respond to Chief, but it sounds like he responded to your last two comments. Okay. All right. So lastly I just wanted to talk about the MLK event. I know what's coming up fast. And so I know originally the deadline was today to get videos in but that's not I don't think it's enough time. I guess I wasn't really thinking about how kids are still remote right now. And so I was hoping that we could extend it the deadline to get pictures and videos in in speeches in. for the 13th and I spoke with Tom Gallo who has diligently volunteered his his wonderful expertise as well as Paul Goodwin. Thank you guys so much and it seems as if that will work on Bev cam is is all set for that. So people having to the 13th if you have any videos or if you have any pictures and mayor Cahill, I didn't know if you were I know you usually go to this event and usually do speak. I didn't know if you were still planning on doing that. 138:42 Michael Cahill: Um a blue and I were looking to do something together. He's done his part and he gave me my homework and I've got it. I gotta get my part ready. 138:52 Caya Johnson: Okay, great. Great. Well, I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that that it's in the work. So I did speak to Dr. Morgan. Also who is working on his speech with what the superintendent as well so Just to let folks know so that gives us until Wednesday and Tom and Paul you guys can. can chime in at any point, but 1 139:18 Tom Gallo: Hey. 139:18 Caya Johnson:we have until the 13th because we have to get the video to bedcam by 139:25 Beverly Human Rights Committee:Yeah. 139:25 Caya Johnson: Friday the 15th in the morning. 139:29 Tom Gallo: That that's 139:29 Beverly Human Rights Committee: That's right. 139:29 Tom Gallo: That's correct. Yeah Friday on the 15th. 139:30 Caya Johnson: Okay. 139:32 Tom Gallo:We have to get the video over to Kim so he can do some audio tests with it. So if we can have the final video submitted by the evening of the 13th, I mean you could even say midnight on the evening of the 13th that gives me Thursday to make the final edit get it over to Kim do a couple of tests and we should be good to go to air on Monday morning. 139:52 Beverly Human Rights Committee:Yeah, so chemotherapy has been extremely helpful and he was very impressed. By Tom because usually people just dump all these pieces on Bev Cam and they have to string everything together. So he was very taken back that we were handing in the whole thing in one package. So it just give him a little bit of time to he was a more concerned with the audio levels because everyone's gonna submit their pieces and one's gonna be louder than the rest and you know, we'll see what Tom can do with his magic to level things off but then Kim can kind of help as well. Yeah. We have the site booked through the city Friday afternoon for a run through and we also have it booked for that Monday morning. I don't think we're gonna have to go there at all because we're just handing them the video and they're just gonna put it out on the public access Channel and then also on YouTube So from our standpoint, there's a committee. I think we really need to do the marketing piece at this point and just kind of Point let people know this is happening through our social 140:56 Paul Lanzikos:the 140:56 Beverly Human Rights Committee: media through our friends through our website. If we can push people to the website, we can embed the link to the YouTube stream and there's all there's already already out the flyer out there that are amazing fire and they can just click on that to access the event that Monday morning so we can go we can start now in promoting that and letting people know where to go to watch that. 141:23 Paul Lanzikos:Yeah and Paul, this is Polynesia. That's exactly what I want to talk about. This is I'm I can prepare the medium release that we can get out to to the papers and and and actually to everybody else so you could distribute, but I need to chat with maybe cager and Tom and you Paul just to get a little bit more details tomorrow so I can prepare the release. 141:47 Beverly Human Rights Committee: Sure, perfect. Yeah, I'm available anytime. 141:54 Caya Johnson:All right. Thank you Pauls both Paul's. and so If anyone else have anything else? That before we wrap. Up all mayor Cahill. 142:09 Michael Cahill: Keisha hi, how do your family I don't know if counselor Copeland wants to speak or just have everybody take a quick look at his message in the chat. 142:18 Caya Johnson: Oh you're here. I didn't even know that he was here. 142:24 Beverly Human Rights Committee: No reinforce city council is here today. That's awesome. 142:26 Caja Johnson: Congratulations. 142:29 Dominic Copeland:Yeah, can you hear me? 142:30 Caja Johnson: I can hear you. 142:32 Dominic Copeland: I guess I'm here. I've been doing double duty. So, you know family stuff as well, so I didn't want to you know interrupt on a call, but I just wanted to put that thank you first off and thank you everyone for for doing the work that we're doing here. Thank you Chief as well for being here and Mary Cahill as well. I appreciate the the work that we're doing. It's not it's not easy to do but I appreciate us having these conversations to start to move forward. It's not going to be easy process, but Like I said, we have to start the work somewhere and this is a great place to be to do that. So all I was saying there is when it comes to we have to start looking at not just the stats, but some of the the problems that we've been facing with policing not even saying is here in our own Community, but overall profiling has been a big issue I've had to deal with that personally as well then also. Just people that might be biased or racist in the community as well who might be unjustly calling the police on people of color. So we can start to figure out beyond the stats. What's bringing police into these situations. Is it whether being caught into a situation?Where's the cost originating from? You know, how's that process starting so we can start to see what with the trends and patterns are there and that might give us a little more insight into the Fuller picture and we also have to keep in mind whatever. The issues are between the the police and people of color historically. Make sure we're looking into that as far as this the stats that we have to make sure that they're not issues here that we're facing. so the biggest thing is As a community, we just want to be prepared that if these things are here we can start to see them and start to address them. Because again, I rather do the hard work. I'd rather have the tough conversations and I'd rather everyone be protected. Now. I went to community prep to be protected. I went to police to be protected. I don't want to unjustly criticize or put the police in the bad situation. I'd rather have the rules and regulations in place that protect them and protect the community so we can all work together and be safe. That makes sense. 144:52 Caja Johnson: That makes absolute sense. Thank you so much counselor Copeland and thank you for being here tonight. I'm just looking here. Oh Leah. Yes, so there is an email that will be going out just to give the opportunity to city leaders that are not speaking at the event to release a statement if you would like. I know that it's usually a lot bigger and so there's a lot more people that have an opportunity to be involved. But this year because of circumstances it is, you know shorter so um, if you want to write anything or you have anything to say There'll be the opportunity to do so. 145:47 Michael Cahill: Keisha can we do a group lullaby that help. 145:52 Caja Johnson: I don't know. This guy's he's pretty tired. I'm I don't know we can try. 145:56 Michael Cahill: Okay. 145:59 Caja Johnson:All right, we made it to nine o'clock we made it. So thank you all so much. Meeting a drone 8:58 pm. Thank you all so much. The next meeting that we're having is on March 4th at 7 pm and everyone if you could just go to the website. Paul Goodwin made it so that there's just a link that you click and it'll just take you right to the meeting moving forward. Thank you so much Chief. 146:30 Michael Cahill: It's great. 146:31 Caya Johnson: Thank you mayor. Thank you. 146:33 Michael Cahill: Thanks. 146:33 Caya Johnson: Thank you City councilors for being a part of this. Thank you all. 146:38 Gabrielle Montevecchi: Thank you, Kasia. 146:39 Michael Cahill: Thanks. Take care. 146:41 Gabrielle Montevecchi: Hi, babe. 146:42 Estelle Rand: Thank you great work today. 146:43 Caya Johnson: Bye. 146:44 Scott Houseman: Okay. 146:47 Carole Rein:Thank you all. 146:48 Leah Jones: Keisha do I need to make a oh the chief usually Chief usually makes a motion to adjourn. Okay, that's okay. Thanks everybody. 146:58 Beverly Human Rights Committee:All right. I'll make a motion to adjourn if you want a second earlier. 147:00 Leah Jones: Okay, I second. 147:02 Beverly Human Rights Committee:All right. 147:02 Leah Jones:Thanks. 147:03 Beverly Human Rights Committee: Good night, everyone. 147:04 Alison Adler. Thank you all. 147:05 Gabrielle Montevecchi: Thank you, everyone. 147:05 Leah Jones: Good night. 147:07 Alison Adler. Be well.