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BHRC Meeting 2021-05-06 Beverly Human Rights Committee Meeting - 2021 -05-06 7:04:20 PM Paul Goodwin: I think we're okay. I've admitted everyone that's been waiting to get admitted, so there's no one waiting right now. So I think we're okay. 7:04:27 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. All right. Well, At 704 pm. And I'd like to call the meeting to order. Pursuant to Governor Baker's March 12th. 2020 order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law and the governor's March 23rd. 2020 order imposing strict limitation on the number of people that may Gather in one place. This meeting of the Beverly human rights committee will be conducted via remote participation to the greatest extent possible. No, in person. Members of the public will be available, but every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings at real time via technological means in the event that we are unable to do. So, despite best efforts, we will post on the city's website and audio or video recording transcript or other comprehensive record of proceedings as soon as possible after the meeting. Okay. So, I'll do. A roll call. Leah Jones. 7:06:09 PM Leah Jones: Hi everybody. I'm here. 7:06:12 PM Caja Johnson: Kylia. Gabrielle. Hi Gabrielle Paul Lindsey goes. Hello, Paul Goodwin. Allison. Allison did say that she'd be running late. Alicia. She also said that she would be running late, chief John. Okay. So, I just wanted to take a moment to welcome our special guest today. A counselor Rand is here. Hello, counselor, Rand. Welcome. 7:07:06 PM Estelle Rand:Thank you. Hello. Nice to see everybody. 7:07:10 PM Caja Johnson: It's so good to see you. And matowan Monroe is also, I'd like to welcome her as well and she'll be joining just a little bit after 7:15. Eileen page. She here. Leah. Do you think that you could reach out to Eileen and see if she's gonna be signing on? 7:07:46 PM Leah Jones:Yep, I will. 7:07:46 PM Caja Johnson: Maybe. Yeah, if you 7:07:49 PM Leah Jones: Email. 7:07:49 PM Caja Johnson:Yes, under quick email and maybe just attach the agenda just in case you didn't get it. Okay. Thanks. Leah. Okay. So I did just want to point out that we do have still three open seats on the human rights committee and I know that one of those seats has been outstanding for some time now. and so I first want to just talk about, I know we haven't met since the direct Chevron trial and the verdict And I just wanted to. To open the floor. If anyone had anything or any reflection or anything to say about that as we await for the sentencing? Okay, I feel I feel some relief and I know myself in a boo, had a meeting with some folks around the verdict and I think that we're turning a corner here. And so, my hope is that the sentencing does match the verdict. and so, just moving through, I did also want to just try make a point each human rights committee meeting just to sort of name the native land that we're on. And so, I just want to say that we're on the gnome. Known Cog. I hope I'm saying it right. Land and Mattawan will correct me if I'm not saying that, right? Or if anyone else knows the correct way, feel free. And so Estelle. I'd like to start with you. I think that it's important every now and then for us to just revisit sort of you know, where we were as a committee where we are and where we would like to be and so, a style, being the person who was a driving force creating and and really implementing the human rights committee, I'd like to hear from her to see what her her mission and vision was 7:10:18 PM Estelle Rand:Thank you, Keisha. I think it's nomkeg, but that might just be the way I've heard it pronounced for my lifetime and that could also be not correct. So I I am glad to get more insight on that. 7:10:33 PM Paul Lanzikos: I'm going to concur with you Estelle. I think it's not 7:10:36 PM Estelle Rand: Okay. 7:10:37 PM Caja Johnson: That sounds a lot better than what 1 7:10:37 PM Estelle Rand: Mom, keg. 7:10:38 PM Caja Johnson: said. Don't think Mom keg. 7:10:42 PM Estelle Rand: it's yeah, 1 7:10:44 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 7:10:44 PM Estelle Rand:That's what I'm going with I guess so. Um so thank you for having me here tonight and thank you for our recent conversations. Just about the human rights committee and kind of how it came to be. So you might you might already know that the human rights committee was formally. Established in October 2015. And you might not know that the very first thing that I started working on when I was elected. My, my term, my first term began in 2014 of January January, and the very first thing that I started working on was the human rights committee. So the, the in it actually it morphed at the very beginning. It had didn't have that name, even it was just sort of the call to establish something that would help people who feel marginalized in our community. And at the time, I was working really closely with Nancy mandaroni, who is just like a force to be reckoned with. She basically led, the transgender kind of like transgender rights movement in Cambridge back before, transgender was a common, Like a more commonly understood. Term even. So I was really lucky to work with her and actually you know she had been calling for something similar and the mayor connected us. I don't want to forget that he connected us and said, okay you guys kind of want the same thing. Go for it. And I will say that you're probably this group will not be surprised to hear that. When I first started talking about the need for a human rights committee or some support for the people in our community, who feel marginalized. I got a lot of kind of questioning looks and people saying why we don't have a problem here in Beverly. that was the most common answer I heard in City Hall and And as you can see, that didn't prevent the work from happening. So so through the process of creating the human rights committee, this, you know, the working I had a, an amazing working group and we really we really focused on the words that we use to create the the committee. So and even I have in the past couple weeks I've had to go back and kind of revisit those words and say just kind of remind myself what did it. What did we mean by that? Is it specific enough? Is it is Are those words that the purpose and the mission of that we wrote for the human rights committee are those and not right now? So so the the purpose that as it's written for the Committees to actively seek to enhance Equal justice, inclusivity and human rights for all members of our community. um, and for to further that purpose, the committee is to serve as a resource to the city of Beverly and the public, which I think, you know, This group is doing and has been doing for the last, you know, for since it began. so, I feel like this group is really fulfilling that mission, I think. I think it's It's important to the other another aspect that we built into the oh, hi, Miss Allen. If I said that correctly, please correct me if I didn't. Can you, can you hear amistelrand? I was just giving a little introduction on the how the human rights committee was established. Can you hear the meeting? Okay. No. I can see the technology frustration in our face so not sure. If I know Paul, I think you're the like, the the tech Guru of the committee. I don't know if you can Assist her. Hopefully, someone can help her behind the scenes. 7:15:38 PM Caja Johnson:Well, Paul, you're you're muted. 7:15:41 PM Paul Goodwin: Here we go. 7:15:42 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 7:15:44 PM Paul Goodwin: Metallic. Can you hear us at all? Can you give us a thumbs up if you can hear us? 7:15:49 PM Caja Johnson: Um, 7:15:50 PM Paul Goodwin: Can. 7:15:52 PM Caja Johnson: I'll text you. How about I text you? 7:15:54 PM Paul Goodwin: Can you text for my number occasia? 7:15:56 PM Caja Johnson:Yeah. 7:15:56 PM Paul Goodwin:All right. 7:15:56 PM Caja Johnson:Yeah. 7:15:56 PM Paul Goodwin: and I'll try to get her in, okay. 7:15:59 PM Caja Johnson: Okay, sorry about that. Estelle. 7:16:01 PM Estelle Rand: Don't be that's that's good. I familiar with that feeling. So I Yeah. Well so I just wanted to point out too that part of what we wrote in when we established a human rights 7:16:15 PM Mahtowin Munro: Education, my sound does not working 7:16:16 PM Estelle Rand: committee. 7:16:17 PM Mahtowin Munro: on this soon. Can you help me please? 7:16:18 PM Estelle Rand: Oh, we can hear you now. 7:16:19 PM Mahtowin Munro:Thank you. 7:16:20 PM Paul Goodwin:Yeah, we can. 7:16:22 PM Estelle Rand:We can hear her. 7:16:25 PM Diana Niethamer. I think we've been able to hear her all along. She can't hear us. 7:16:29 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 7:16:29 PM Estelle Rand: Oh, 7:16:30 PM Paul Goodwin: Okay, I'll give her a call. 7:16:32 PM Caja Johnson:All right, thanks Paul. 7:16:35 PM Estelle Rand: okay. Oh Maybe it's okay, we intentionally built in. 7:16:44 PM Mahtowin Munro: I can't hear anything and I don't know. 7:16:48 PM Estelle Rand:You can hear you. We intentionally built in term limits. to the human rights committee knowing that it it would be really important 7:16:57 PM Mahtowin Munro: Is it? 7:16:59 PM Estelle Rand:to keep people rotating in and out through the committee to get various perspectives. 7:17:07 PM Mahtowin Munro: Just turn off camera so I can get in 7:17:08 PM Estelle Rand:To. 7:17:08 PM Mahtowin Munro: here. 7:17:09 PM Estelle Rand:to keep the committee kind of fresh keep the the leadership rotating as you guys have demonstrated, it brings in different Different priorities and different different people to the committee, right? So I'm glad that that's there and in place, and I guess I don't know. I want to hear from maybe Keisha through you. From your from the existing committee. Now what you think is working for the human rights committee and what you think? Either through the ordinance that created you or through some other method, what?What needs to change? 7:17:56 PM Mahtowin Munro: I fix this. 7:17:58 PM Caja Johnson: I think he's not much of how. 7:18:00 PM Estelle Rand:And I'm open to questions too. If you, you know? Have any for me? 7:18:06 PM Caja Johnson: Thank you so much, um, Michelle. And can you hear us? 7:18:11 PM Mahtowin Munro: I can now I couldn't before. 7:18:13 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 7:18:13 PM Mahtowin Munro: So now this 7:18:14 PM Caja Johnson:Yay. And I think. Am I seeing your name? 7:18:17 PM Mahtowin Munro: It's much hope. 7:18:17 PM Caja Johnson: Is it McCowan? 7:18:18 PM Mahtowin Munro: It's my toe. You don't quite say that and on the end. 7:18:22 PM Caja Johnson: Oma Towing. Okay. 7:18:23 PM Mahtowin Munro: I had trouble getting on. 7:18:23 PM Caja Johnson: Thank you. 7:18:25 PM Mahtowin Munro: I'm all set up for Zoom but not for the, the Google. So it's, it's great to see everybody. And nice to see you tonight. And But I appreciate being invited to speak with you a little bit. 7:18:40 PM Caja Johnson: Oh, it's great to have you here. It's great to have you here. 7:18:41 PM Mahtowin Munro: Okay. 7:18:45 PM Caja Johnson:Astouge just to just to respond to you a little bit. I think that the purpose is exactly how I Envision it to be and the way that I look at the human rights committee is a way to uplift and support the community a way to educate the community away for folks, that may not feel that they have a voice to be given one and to be to be welcome. And and so that's how 1 7:19:18 PM Estelle Rand:Yeah. 7:19:21 PM Caja Johnson: look at each and every one of us on this committee and that's the the good hard work that we continue to do on and offline. I think it's just embedded in us and we spread it wherever we go. And so With that being said, I do. Sometimes worry about. The sort of the seats that have been open, especially right now. Today we, we really should have a full committee seeds, should not be open and outstanding for for this amount of time. Um also I think it's important for now that we have a boost position. Um I think it's important for a blue to meet men's reopen and I think it's important for myself or whoever else maybe. Yeah. But for the chair also to be involved with the process of appointments and reappointments, I think it's it's really important for the committee, to awesome be involved. And I think that if I had to say that there'd be anything lacking, it would be that, you know, 1, 1 also think that People. Certain presents, I think can can change. Can change the environment, and I think certain presents can change the tone of the conversations, and I do think that we need to be mindful of that. And we also need to remember that, you know, we're here community. And as a stealth said, we're here for marginalized communities and people and populations. And we, we want to really make this a welcoming comfortable place. 7:21:26 PM Estelle Rand:Yeah. 7:21:28 PM Caja Johnson: 7:21:28 PM Estelle Rand:the, I'm so glad to hear you say you you really Keyed in on the words, welcome and inclusive. And and for the months leading up to forming the final wording for the human rights committee that that's those were the most important. things that we were talking about our hearts desire for this committee was to make Beverly Feel like a place that anyone is welcome and safe. So and and just hearing your comments Kasia. I'm thinking about and and like I said, so this was the very first real action that I took as a counselor. It was the first ordinance I ever wrote and and you know, now what I know too is that there are some committees that by ordinance The city council can appoint members as well. So I'm wondering if because there have been issues with an open seat for, I mean, Leah. I think you were a chair and we hadn't an open seat for for a while as well. So I'm wondering if one solution would be to amend the human rights committee ordinance to include appointments by the city council. Um, something to consider and I'm happy to hear your feedback over the next, you know, month or so. 7:23:01 PM Caja Johnson: Thank you, Estelle Leah. I see you. 7:23:04 PM Leah Jones: Right? I just got excited to just as as somebody who's had the privilege to be working with Estelle soon after the, the committee formed with a lot of the folks on this call. I just wanted to say, can I can I add a couple of points that that I I don't know if everybody shares this, but 1, 1 kind of see the committee as that we're representatives of the community. And then it's really important that we feel bold and brave enough to voice concerns as they come to us. And sometimes we may not be equipped to answer those questions ourselves, but that we bring them to the group to maybe problem solve. And I think that's a really important thing because some people don't or haven't always feel like they have a voice. In our city or don't know how to go about using it. And so that's one thing. And then another is that, I think we see ourselves as, as representatives in that, we try to engage the public. So that everybody sees that it's part of their rights and their responsibility to take care of the rights of others. So with human rights, common responsibility to watch out for the rights of others. And I think that's that the responsibility and rights go hand in hand and then just lastly I wanted to to say that I feel so happy about just having the chance to work with amazing leaders and we're always learning from each other and I do want to say one of the things I think Asia's really done a fabulous job and bodying is this ability to keep people at the table for difficult conversations and they're not always easy but I think we it kind of a unique aspect of our committee that is um it keeps it like a collegial or what communicative and we stretch ourselves in ways that we want our community to stretch ourselves. They're ourselves and lastly I just want to say Estelle that um I think you know that early on as soon as the committee was formed, we were still using the first year to sort out what our goals were and what our approach would be. But there were immediately people writing in calling coming up to us and it was like, you could see that the need had been there, but it must have been an Avenue that made sense to people because we were getting letters and it was all about belonging I think like I don't feel like I belong and this is why I made to feel. I don't belong by this action or this approach, or this tone, or this lack of representation. So I just wanted to say thanks, sorry cage. I didn't mean to take out that much time, but I think you really hit hit the Nail in the head and I really appreciate being part of this effort and learning from you all. 7:25:47 PM Caja Johnson: Leah, thank you so much. We said we were gonna work on not saying, sorry. Remember, 7:25:52 PM Estelle Rand: He? 7:25:53 PM Caja Johnson: So that's what this space is for. I love to to hear from from folks that does anyone else have anything to say? Just about, you know, who we are, where we would like to be. And, and really, what, what would we envision if we were to look at a Diverse inclusive human rights committee. With of course, representation, you know, what would that look like to us?Are people happy where we are or people. Thinking that. Maybe we should try some different things. Hi, Rabbi Adler. How are you? 7:26:41 PM Alison Adler: Hi, how are you? I'm sorry, I'm a little late. 7:26:45 PM Caja Johnson: No, no, no. You It's good to see you. I'm glad you're here. 7:26:49 PM Alison Adler:As we still was starting to speak. So Oh, you letting me speak? Okay yeah. 7:26:57 PM Caja Johnson:Yeah, I thought I saw your hand. I'm sorry. 7:27:00 PM Alison Adler: so inspired to hear all this again, it's really, you know, one of the few people here who's been on the committee since the beginning. And one thing I was saying to toccasia this week or to, somebody is one of the things that's been hard and this is, this is for the entire world and that being able to be in person is that is that we there are new members on the committee. And we haven't really had the chance to get to know each other, you know?And and I think kind of have the, you know, where we usually chitchat before the meeting after the meeting. And now, it's stuff like that. And and so I'm really looking forward to being able to do that because the relationships that we have are really an important piece of this, because I think it it grounds us, but it also enables us to hear to listen carefully to each other. Especially when we don't all share the same opinions. So, So, I just want to thank you, you know, having this happen. And 1, I'm sorry if I'm gonna take this in a slightly different direction, but I feel like there's an elephant in the room or in the, in the, in the zoom room. and I'm trying to figure out, I'm struggling with the words to how to bring this up, but they're, you know, there was this article in the Salem News, Yesterday. and I think about, You describe it. You know, wondering if being concerned well, I'll speak about it in my own terms. Not, not with the article said. We have the basic thing that we need to be able to do is as you said is is represent and give voice to and be a safe place for people who are marginalized and people who may be afraid. I'm, I am concerned and I please I'm sorry Chief. I I love you and I respect everything that you do and it's nothing to do with you on really and who you are? I am just concerned that that does everyone know what I'm talking about. I don't even know if I need to say it. More than that, okay? 7:29:09 PM Caja Johnson: I think that. Oh nope. Go ahead. 7:29:12 PM Alison Adler:What do you want to put this off to later? I guess, I just want to bring it into the conversation because I am concerned about I'm concerned about that. A human rights committee that that Domestic violence is a part of women's rights children's rights of Human Rights and and if there's any perception in the larger community, that we're not fully taking that seriously, which is not true for anybody here as individuals. I'm talking. There's if there's a perception that I think we should talk about that as a community as a, as a committee. 7:29:51 PM Caja Johnson: Thank you, Rabbi Adler and no, there's no right or wrong time. I look at this as a larger conversation with some of my dear friends and and my community, and my neighbors and family. So there's no wrong time,just say, however, you feel whenever you feel it, I agree. I my heart goes out to domestic violence victims. As well as all marginalized groups and, and people. And my heart goes out, mostly I think the most to children, and so, with that being said, You know. I want this to be a safe place and I want our community to see themselves. When they come to the human rights committee and to be comfortable and and to feel safe. And so I I say that to say Chief and I want you to to say to speak, please jump in, but I think that sometimes with even the presence of, you know, the mayor or, you know, the presence of your boss or you know, who whoever that authoritative figure may be it changes the conversation and it changes It changes the experience of the human rights committee for some people. And I think that it's important that we have our honest, but hard conversations and you know, be let's be real, you know. Let's real. Let's be honest. And and you know, let's think about 7:31:47 PM Mahtowin Munro: Right. 7:31:47 PM Caja Johnson: the marginalized populations people that we are here to think about so, Chief, would you like to say anything in response? Oh Diana, I'm sorry. Um, 7:32:01 PM Mahtowin Munro:You have. 7:32:01 PM Caja Johnson: She's would you like to respond? There's a couple folks that that want to see some things, but I'd like to give you the opportunity to to speak. if you have anything to say, 7:32:14 PM John LeLacheur.Well all I can say is it, you know, there is a pending litigation and it's improper for any City official to talk about it. And that, you know, the facts may not be represented as as in a story in the paper. 7:32:33 PM Caja Johnson: so, Thanks Chief. And 1, you know, I have to agree with, with Rabbi Adler to say that. I don't think that this is anything personal, I think that we're generally talking about just the human rights committee all together as a committee and we're really focusing on. marginalized groups and, and how people may or may not feel and I know driving down the street. I may drive a little different if there's you know, if I see an officer's car behind me rather than Leah's car behind I mean, you know, this is just I think generally speaking, I think that without even, together as a committee and we're really focusing on. marginalized groups and, and how people may or may not feel and I know driving down the street. I may drive a little different if there's you know, if I see an officer's car behind me rather than Leah's car behind I mean, you know, this is just I think generally speaking, I think that without even you know, bringing up the case. I think that it's important for us to to talk about Diana. I did see your hand 7:33:28 PM Diana Niethamer:Thanks. 7:33:28 PM Caja Johnson: Thank you so much. 7:33:30 PM Diana Niethamer: Um so um another challenging question would be about the racial composition of our committee so I I am someone Rabbi other you were saying you know, people haven't got a chance to meet. There's a lot of folks in this group that I who I don't know, but just from looking to me my eyes, the committee looks very light. So I've been interested in a while and maybe joining the human rights community and I'd like to know more about what that would involve but I don't want to take place. From a committee from a citizen of our city who might bring a little more diversity to the committee. I mean, I we're all diverse. We have our diverse viewpoints, there are things I could bring to the committee because of my life experiences, my parenting experiences that might be unique. but I am a white woman, so 7:34:23 PM Caja Johnson: Thank you, thank you, Diana for that. And of course, Elephant elephant in the room. So I'm the only black person of color just gonna put it out there on the human rights committee and That. Is uncomfortable. I have, to be honest to say, I'm super thankful to be here, and I am blessed and very fortunate to have each and every one of you here, and in my life. And I'm I take pride and being the chair. but, I have to say that throughout my life living on the North Shore, it is very difficult to always be the only black one and I don't know how else to say it besides to just say it so that's what it is. And so, 7:35:17 PM Diana Niethamer. Perfect. 7:35:18 PM Caja Johnson: and so, you know, I worry about that, I worry about my daughter, not having any black teachers, I worry about, you know, my daughter coming to the human rights committee and just always knowing that there's Mama cuz she's the only black one and so I think we need to talk about that and, and I want for You know, all members of our community to be able to see themselves. I Igbtq I want to, you know, I want to see You know, there is a trans little girl, a little boy out there somewhere, that would love to see him or herself on this committee right now. There is a Native American woman or, man, somewhere in in Beverly, that doesn't feel that they have a place to call home, even though they're in the city and I would love for that person to see themselves here and know that this is home. And so, thank you, Diana. I think Rabbi Adler. I did see your hand and Leah. Did you have your hand? Okay. 7:36:38 PM Alison Adler:You know what I've spoken, so if anyone who hasn't spoken yet, I let them go first. 7:36:43 PM Caja Johnson: No, no. I mean I think it's, it's your turn. 7:36:50 PM Alison Adler:Well. 7:36:51 PM Leah Jones: Same here. 7:36:51 PM Alison Adler: Can't even remember. I think I was gonna respond to something. Go ahead Leah. Sorry, what? I was responding to 7:36:57 PM Leah Jones: Now, it's actually sort of a question for you, Rabbi Adler and everybody 7:37:01 PM Alison Adler: thank. 7:37:01 PM Leah Jones: here. Um well two things, one is I was a bit. I have to be honest that I was disappointed that Abu is no longer on the committee and to me it makes 7:37:10 PM Alison Adler:Yes. 7:37:11 PM Leah Jones: perfect sense for a boot to be. I almost want to make a motion to ask to have a boo reinstated because to me, it's it's like our to I he doesn't have a very huge, you know. Not that we'd be like I just feel like it's so natural to have that position and the human rights committee be working together. Sharing resources, don't double up efforts but but have them be in Harmony and and to get things done really fast. I think Abu shares things with some of us and they get shared really quickly with the community because of that symbiotic relationship that we've developed through the committee. And I think that it only helps he's he leaves us with the police eliases with City Hall and Estelle has the the council position. But is also a wonderful advocate for us, but I think it's different when somebody's actually sitting on the committee. We do sometimes present to city council. I think that it would make sense to and I don't see any reason why not and I just wanted to say too that we did here. The mayor got back to us about I think Mindy I can say that your name has been handed to city council. We Got this this afternoon. I'm not even sure occasia. If you've seen that the email yet, and I know that there are a couple other candidates that he's considering, so that's great. So he's heard, he's heard our call and we kind of asked if we could not go more than a quarter and I think if we can all support this maybe not go more than a quarter with an open seat without somebody at least being named to the council because sometimes we can't control. Council scheduling and stuff like that. And then just lastly. What I wanted to say is I guess what I was hearing about the, the issue in the paper is that it isn't about a character issue. It's about It's about a perception concern, and I'm just wondering one of the things that I think we've learned a lot together as a city, over the past couple of years. And I think some of you have been in these roles longer have known this forever, is that sometimes stating something explicitly can really make people. Feel seen and that if you know, if we take the person aside and again, it's like Chief you were just saying it's an ongoing case. I know you can't talk about that in particular, but can the police in some way, do some, maybe some advertising about the excellent work that is happening in the area of domestic violence. I was talking to an officer the other day about the work and mental health and domestic violence and I do believe that Beverly is pretty stand out. in those areas and that other cities do turn to them for For advice and such. So I just thought Maybe we could. put that out there as an idea request for the Department, you know, not to just to kind of get information out there, I don't know Alice and I don't know if you have any thoughts on that or 7:40:14 PM Alison Adler. no, I mean I said that's That's a great idea. And I think, you know, we often put statements out whether it's just as a human rights committee or sometimes with the mayor sometimes with the city council. Yeah. So, but just affirming our commitment to supporting victims of domestic violence in, in some way, you know, it not mentioning that case or whatever. I don't, I don't know exactly what the words would be, but I just think that there needs to be something. but very clearly said, From this committee and, and whoever else, you know, as well. 7:40:53 PM Caja Johnson: Thank you so much, Leah, and and Rabbi Adler. I agree. I think that silence is compliance. And I think that in this situation we for sure, want to say something. And so, I am much of a put myself in that situation sort of a person and I try to put myself into another person's body if I can in my head and I could only imagine if I was Right now, victim of domestic violence, and I have children. I wouldn't consider this a safe place to be right now and that is on my personal I'm being honest. And so I think we can have a city, a school department Department representative, which Gabrielle that's principle Gabrielle and she is impeccable at what she does and I think we can have an administrator seat. And I do think that a boo and I speak frequently day to day, we work hand in hand, we all do, and I just make, I think that it makes the most sense if we're if our goal is, To be productive and Progressive. I think that it's it would be it would be in our best interest for a blue to have that that seat with his expertise. And Mindy. Very, I'm so glad you're here and very nice to meet you. I hadn't really heard. I yesterday I I sort of heard a little bit Leah, but I haven't met you at all Mindy and I'm excited to to hear to say hello. 7:42:54 PM Mahtowin Munro: One. One. 7:42:58 PM Caja Johnson:You know, I think this is part of what rad by Adler and myself and what others sort of would like to see a little bit more 7:43:05 PM Mahtowin Munro: Oh, your Pharmacy. 7:43:07 PM Caja Johnson: of, is just getting to know you and getting to know new appointments, you know. Just if you're going to be on the committee, I'd like to see you before, you know, your name is put forth and I I think that that is going a little bit. 7:43:22 PM Mindy D'Ippolito: Surprise, I'm here. 7:43:24 PM Caja Johnson: bit. 7:43:25 PM Mindy D'Ippolito: Hi surprise. 7:43:26 PM Caja Johnson: here but I think that it'd be really nice. If you know I had you know previously met you and Abu had and I think it'd be really nice just for the structure, not particularly particularly you just in general. Like, you know, Rabbi Adler was saying, there are new memories and we hadn't we haven't even had the chance to get to know one another and so Mindy please. 7:43:58 PM Mindy D'Ippolito: or you would like me to talk about me right now, or 7:44:01 PM Caja Johnson: Oh yeah, I wanted to meet you. 7:44:02 PM Mindy D'Ippolito: Okay, sorry. 7:44:03 PM Caja Johnson: I was 7:44:04 PM Mindy D'Ippolito: This. Oh I was like, oh well hang out in my backyard but no, I will just talk over Zoom or whatever this is. Um, thank you Keisha and everybody. It's really nice to be here. I've long ago, pretty pandemic. have been to a meeting or two, but I you know, long admired, the work of this committee and talk to the mayor a little bit you know, about my enthusiasm or interest in you know playing a role if that was appropriate and Um whatnot. But my wife and I have lived in Beverly for about five and a half years. We have Two kids, one goes to Hannah. So we know principal want to Becky very well. And some others The other is in preschool, at Beverly Children's Learning Center. We feel so fortunate to live in a great Community. We love it. I work, I'm a clinical social worker and also I work for the Heller school for social policy and management. at Brandeis University, I do some clinical social work at Melrose Wakefield, Hospital and generally try to You know, call the city to see if I can get trees planted on my street, which I have now. And love to be involved in the community, you know, as much as possible and really look forward to Meeting you all those of you, I haven't met in any context because whether we're on a committee together or not, we're community members and you know, doing this all together, whether it's, you know, in a formal way or an informal way. 7:45:53 PM Caja Johnson: Thank you so much mentioned. 7:45:54 PM Mindy D'Ippolito: So thanks. 7:45:55 PM Caja Johnson:Very nice to meet you. 7:45:56 PM Mindy D'Ippolito: Great to meet you. 7:45:57 PM Caja Johnson: Maybe we can 7:45:58 PM Paul Goodwin:Yeah, welcome Mindy. 7:45:59 PM Mindy D'Ippolito: Thank you. 7:46:00 PM Caja Johnson: street next. No. 7:46:02 PM Mindy D'Ippolito:Yeah, I'm all about it. Yeah. 7:46:06 PM Caja Johnson: and so, I know we sort of jumped a little bit,just trying to be mindful of the time. But did anyone else have anything to add to? anything that was just discussed, I'm just going to move on and Yes. 7:46:25 PM Paul Goodwin: so I guess so, this doesn't sit for another two months, for the Abu position, can we make A recommendation and second it and try to get this moved along in some fashion. Otherwise I fear it's just going to sit and we'll be talking about this a couple months from now. 7:46:46 PM Caja Johnson: so, I I'd say, yes. 7:46:52 PM Paul Goodwin:Yeah, because I mean, I totally agree. I mean, there's so many times that we've been working over the last number of months, and we're like, oh, okay, let's go check in with a boo and then we have to go back and forth and it does seem like it's not very efficient in that respect, it would be nice to have That position right on the Forefront with us so that we have a direct tie right into City Hall. 7:47:16 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. all right, so motion to have a boo. 7:47:27 PM Leah Jones: I don't know if you can make a 7:47:28 PM Caja Johnson: Or a vote. 7:47:29 PM Leah Jones: motion. 7:47:29 PM Alison Adler: Now, you can't. 7:47:32 PM Caja Johnson: and then maybe we can, if no one, I just want to make sure no one objects before we Put something in writing that's all I'm trying to do. So if does anyone on the committee feel as though? we're not going in the right direction, or Can we put something in writing and 7:47:52 PM Paul Goodwin: So yeah. 7:47:52 PM Caja Johnson: it's forth to the city council? I think, 7:47:56 PM John LeLacheur. Has anyone asked the boo if he wants to sit in the committee? 7:48:00 PM Estelle Rand: Party. 7:48:02 PM Leah Jones: I did reach out to Abu and I just Expressed? I sort of said, wait a minute, I heard you committee. What? That kind of how I said it. And you know, he's he's very diplomatic and he was very nice about like, oh, you know, I'm lucky I get to work with all these different groups and he's I know that he's doing that no matter what he kind of is like I'm doing that no matter what, but that's an interesting question and, you know, so I it didn't sound to me like he would be a post to it, but he didn't. he didn't say, you know, go Voda or something, but I I don't think it was I don't think it was his decision to to step off the committee and I think he felt it was a productive relationship. So I don't think I didn't get the impression he'd be opposed and he certainly works with all the Departments that are represented on our committee. It seems like a nice way to round out all the different groups. We represent Are you all represent? 7:49:05 PM Estelle Rand: If would you mind if I just make up a 7:49:05 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 7:49:08 PM Estelle Rand: quick comment on this Keisha 7:49:11 PM Caja Johnson:Yeah, no. Absolutely. 7:49:13 PM Estelle Rand: So what I what and you you could see that I included the link to the actual ordinance, that established a human rights committee in the chat at some point today. And so in case you touched on this within that ordinance, There's only a requirement that writes in one member as keija said, one member of the school school department, and one member as it's worded of the city Administration. So in this case, the city Administration means someone from kind of the city Side of government as opposed to the school side. so, this committee is supposed to only have basically two members of to paid employees of the city. Acting on it, it does not. So that that does not mean that. The diversity and inclusion director could not serve on this committee, right? And I just wanted to note that at the time that this ordinance was written, like you've pointed out, there was no diversity inclusion director, right? So I think that, for me, personally, as a city counselor, I'm listening to this and I have kind of in my mind ways that I could potentially amend the ordinance to sort of solve that. This problem that we're coming up against, I don't think that what you're, I think, what you're really asking is not so much that a booster on the committee but that the diversity inclusion director, be the appointed member to this committee from the city that kind of. So I think if you're gonna make a motion, you could You could move to. recommend that, you know, the human rights committee has Includes an appoint. The appointed includes the Diversity, inclusion director, and of course, that doesn't change the ordinance. But it is a good way of collectively, having a voice as a committee. And then sharing that with, you know, with me with the city council, with the mayor. And so, you're Collective voices kind of becoming a bit stronger in that way. And I am listening. 7:51:36 PM Caja Johnson: oh, things things counselor and so Can is everyone? Okay, if we do that, I think. I think it would. Be okay. It sounds like if we could recommend that. 7:51:56 PM John LeLacheur.Yes. 7:51:59 PM Caja Johnson: Oh, I think you're muted. Are you, are you? Okay, there we go. 7:52:04 PM Paul Lanzikos: Thank you. But I started sounding very stood to myself here. I'm just gonna ask it clarifying. Question of the Consular is tell are you you? I thought, First You're Gonna Be suggesting that, that the amend the The ordinance by adding. saying maybe exetio that position to the council, but then, Then, you sort of that I'm hearing now rather than doing that. 7:52:32 PM Estelle Rand: Some harm. 7:52:35 PM Paul Lanzikos: Suggesting that Abu be pointed as the administrative or city Side representative. 7:52:44 PM Estelle Rand:Yeah, I think I mean I'm just thinking about the idea that that this his position exists now and that it it only makes sense to have that position linked. So I'm not I haven't like committed 7:52:56 PM Paul Lanzikos: 1, 1 7:52:59 PM Estelle Rand:to A way of making that happen. I think I'm just here thinking with you now and listening to your 7:53:05 PM Paul Lanzikos:Yeah. 7:53:08 PM Estelle Rand: committee and saying, yeah, I mean, that that's it. Makes sense to link them somehow. 7:53:12 PM Paul Lanzikos: yeah, I agree with that but I'm I guess I would Advocate because that position is is recently created and it's so relevant to this community that the you consider amending the ordinance by adding that position as an excessio and and I think frankly it's a bit 7:53:35 PM Estelle Rand: instead of appointed, kind of 7:53:36 PM Paul Lanzikos: Because it's been, I think it's beneficial for us to have more than a couple of individuals representing the official side of the community whether it's from the schools or the government. So I I would I would Advocate Amendment and adding it is a as none of the pointed but son of a when when somebody is in that role, they're automatically appointed to the to the To the committee. 7:54:04 PM Estelle Rand: 1, 1 think that's where it's considering and I just have two thoughts. As is just For voting on a committee. You need to have an odd number, really. But then, and then my other thought is I'm losing my thought. 7:54:22 PM Paul Lanzikos: yeah, well sure is your fat trying to find that you know for the most part 7:54:25 PM Estelle Rand: S. 7:54:25 PM Paul Lanzikos:we've functioned by consensus I can't recall where we've had where we're not like the city council, where it's the size to vote. We try to bring everybody to the same point. So I I'm not, I'm not sure having a 7:54:38 PM Estelle Rand: Right. 7:54:40 PM Paul Lanzikos: a, an odd number. 7:54:40 PM Estelle Rand:Yeah. 7:54:41 PM Paul Lanzikos: Is this critical for this type of community is that might be for. Yeah. Say more deliberative body like a city council. 7:54:48 PM Estelle Rand: I can see that. And then the other thing I wanted to add was I'll have to I think I I need to do some thinking and I hope we can kind of reflect together on this. But at as you know, I was working on this. Committee establishing this committee. We intentionally did not want a large number of people from City. government appointed to the committee, so I mean, it's a large committee, it's 11 people. So it's not that three would be a majority or anything like that. I just I think I have to keep thinking about it and I hope you can kind of, keep thinking about it, the intent. Behind. That was really just to have connection to both the school department and City Hall without being sort of. without having a kind of a larger voice from the government, because as I said, when I created the committee, the answers I got from City Hall where why we don't have a problem in Beverly and I just I think I think it's important to. To have the connection without having an a dominant. Sense from. Like you can't do that or you can do. I don't know. I'm starting to ramble now. I'm sorry. But I think you understand what I'm 7:56:23 PM Paul Lanzikos: It. But yeah, yeah. 7:56:24 PM Estelle Rand: saying? 7:56:25 PM Paul Lanzikos: I would look at just the opposite that I mean we have we don't have too many shrinking violence on this committee, you know, we we will 7:56:37 PM Estelle Rand:This is true. 7:56:38 PM Paul Lanzikos:You know we we will experience. We will Express Points of you, I'd rather see more exposure to a critical roles within the city to influence them and and help them. Better understand what's going on. So I think it works actually both ways, but I'm more concerned about getting input into the city rather than having eight City official being too influential on the committee, 7:57:01 PM Estelle Rand:Yeah, I can understand that. 7:57:04 PM Caja Johnson:Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much for that. Paul. I agree. And Gabrielle, I see you. Would you like sure?And then Leah, I did see you too. 7:57:18 PM Gabrielle Montevecchi: Thank you. So just a thought that I want to put out there too. In terms of the seat that I hold I would also like to he's going to kill me. I would like to consider seeing Dr. Morgan Take the school seat. And I'm putting I'm putting that right out there. I love having fresh perspective. 7:57:40 PM Caja Johnson:Yeah. 7:57:44 PM Gabrielle Montevecchi: I love having someone who is not a non-evaluator in that role. So I'm a building principal leader, I also evaluate teachers and I think that his capacity is quite different in terms of organizational Management in terms of being an all of the buildings to grab the larger scope to take a larger pulse. He's going to really. He's a man with an awful lot of work on his plate, but I think that he could serve this Committee in a greater capacity with greater impact to move the mission forward and then myself. So I just want to really put that right out there. 7:58:26 PM Caja Johnson: Thank you so much Gabrielle and Leah. Yep. 7:58:30 PM Leah Jones:just, It's just super short. I was just gonna say if there could be some flexibility built into the ordinance. Because I feel like if we appoint like the Top level of every department and I think the hope is that Abu will not be one person trying to do 87,000 things forever. That they'll be more people working with a boo or whomever is holding that position. So and I think sometimes it's nice to have the flexibility for the superintendent to say. We have this amazing Fierce Advocate. We're gonna put this person in because I don't want to miss half the meetings this year. So just to keep in mind that there might be a champion within the department. That's also as effective and will we contrast we'll get the mess message to the the other decision makers on the leadership team. Thanks. 7:59:21 PM Caja Johnson:All right, I just want to be. Thank you so much Leah. I want to be just mindful of time. I know we've got some more things on the agenda. This is a wonderful conversation and I just want to thank everyone here, for being open and willing, and honest, and listening, and learning. And Just being here. Thank you so much, and Matowan had to go, unfortunately. She did feel a little uncomfortable. And so we're gonna just move right along and reschedule reschedule that time with her but Eileen. I lean page, welcome Eileen is from Danvers and is on the Danvers human rights committee. Am I am I right or is a human resources or both? I think Eileen. 8:00:20 PM Eileen Page:Yeah, can you see me? Okay, I'm not super familiar with. Okay. Great. Um, so yeah, thank you so much for having me. My name is Eileen page. I am the human resources generalist at the town of Danvers and I am also Danvers resident but I am the town staff liaison to our human rights and inclusion committee so I'm sorry it's Cajun not Kasha correct. 8:00:47 PM Caja Johnson: I answer to either. 8:00:49 PM Eileen Page: But which one is because I get, right. 8:00:52 PM Caja Johnson: Okay, it's Keisha. 8:00:53 PM Eileen Page:Yes, I apologize. 8:00:53 PM Caja Johnson: But 8:00:55 PM Eileen Page: Um so Keisha and I had gotten in touch. Oh gosh. Probably last summer now kind of trying to connect and see what we could do together and then as the pandemic went on and on um obviously some collaborative activities, were not possible but we've talked for a while about her coming to one of our meetings to present and having me on one of your meetings to talk a bit about what we're doing in Danvers. So um we're really, I'm really excited to kind of finally be able to connect with y'all. Um so I'll just kind of tell you a bit about our committee. So the Committees actually been around for about 20 years, it's not new. I came on in Danvers just about a year and a half ago now and became the staff liaison. And so over the last year and a half, we've tried to really kind of revitalize and Rebrand and kind of bring the committee back to life. It had been, you know, not stagnant but kind of just having monthly meetings discussing issues but not really do active in the community as much. So we do, we have 11. Members for Citizens at large, we have 11 residents and then we also have our Liaisons. So I am the town liaison. And my role is largely kind of administrative kind of coordinating. What? They need coordinating meetings. The agendas things like that. And then Staffing the subcommittees. We always joke that we are this the committee with the most subcommittees. I think I have seven right now, going on and then we also have our police liaison, Lieutenant Rob, Sullivan who's just incredible. Um, are select board liaise on David Mills. The interfait Danvers Interfaith partnership liaison is Pastor Douglas voice and our school committee liaison Eric crane. So we work in really close partnership with kind of all the bodies of the Town, kind of like, what you folks were talking about. And we have a great relationship with the schools. We have an education sub Committee and the the we had a senior this year who actually started an anti-discrimination club and that's really taken off of the schools and we've been really impressed with the work that they've been doing and and it's so impressive. We meet try to meet about quarterly with the schools typically a little more often but the work that they're doing is so impressive and to think that they're, you know, 16 17 years old and just They they just there. They they get it. They are working hard and they're not looking back. So we've been really fortunate to work with them as well. I wrote some notes because I am I am not much of a public speaker so give me one second. yeah so we've so we've worked on pulling together a new website, which is a part of the town website but that kind of what underwent a big got a big facelift and we launched a newsletter last month that we're hoping to keep monthly We are our first kind of big. Rebrand project was actually inspired by the Beverly. Unity signs that went up around town. We were I had seen them at one point and our select board liaison had been driving through Beverly pulled over. Took a picture, emailed it to me right away. It was like we need to do this. So we did we ordered a bunch of lawn signs. We ordered them in October. So nobody wanted a lawn sign. So we are now kind of doing a big push for as you're cleaning up your yard and, you know, getting it ready for the springtime. Pick up alongside so we're hoping to see those pop up pretty soon. We the big kind of event we have going on right now is we just had our first Pride meeting. And so, every year for the past, this will be our eight year. So the past seven years, the town hall all of the schools, police, and fire, Atlantic Ambulance, and a bunch of local businesses have actually flown the pride flag that we have a ceremony in at the beginning of June to raise it and then it flies all month long and one of the things our committee talked about was sort of again, rebranding this event where we are not just doing a pride flag raise and okay, great, we did it. It's over enjoy the month. We're gonna just have Danvers pride and it'll kick off with the flag raising but then the following Saturday we're hoping to set up a booth downtown where we're going to hand out stickers and miniature flags and kind of have a little more community outreach and kind of draw. In with the free stickers and then kind of talk to them a bit more about our community. And what they like to see in the community because for a long time, the committee has been very kind of faceless, they just kind of knew that it's a group that met. And once a year, they did a big Martin Luther King Day tribute. And that was it and that was that we went away for the rest of the year. So we're really excited to kind of be getting back out in the community. We had a ton of interest when we expanded to 11 members from. I think we originally at 9:00 So we've, we've gotten some new people on the, on the committee. We are doing better with the diversity on the committee. Now, we originally, it was a very white committee. We're still not there, but we're getting there. and yeah, that's Trying to think of what else I had on my list. One of the things we had really talked about doing is looking at surrounding communities, that have similar committees and trying to partner up for some more regionalized activities. And, you know, it's getting old to say it. But after covid's over, hopefully we are able to do some more with Beverly because we're right on the line. I mean, it's right there. So we know that you folks are getting a lot more active and we are really looking to do more Community engagement. One of the things we've talked about is community field trips going into the African American History Museum and Boston that's run by the National Park Service. Kind of just doing learning more as a community. So we're hoping to kick those off again after covid, but also looking forward to working with you folks and, you know, Salem's committee glosters committee, there's a lot of them in the area 8:07:44 PM Caja Johnson: Thank you so much Eileen. It sounds like you guys are doing a ton of wonderful things and I just want to say I commend you, it sounds like you wear a lot of hats and you are a lot of places and you're doing all of all of this wonderful work. And I, I thought it was really interesting that you the town of Danvers has liaison that that's that's wonderful. 8:08:16 PM Eileen Page:Yeah. So specifically what those positions are is the idea is that the select board liaison comes to our meetings once we meet once a month?We know I think you folks meet quarterly. 8:08:29 PM Caja Johnson:We meet every other month. 8:08:31 PM Eileen Page: Oh okay. Sorry every other month. Yeah so we meet monthly um and that they're coming to our meeting hearing what we have to say reporting on, what is the select board doing that is, you know relevant to our mission and our goals. What are the police doing that are relevant to our mission and our goals?A lot of what the police have been reporting. Lately is, you know, there's been a couple incidents of swastika. Graffiti being found behind the middle school, so that's being investigated and our police liaison attends a lot of training on. Investigating hate crimes investigating crimes against members of the Igbtqia community and kind of how to I forget the name of the exact training, he attended, but sort of how to how to counsel your way through it as well. Not only investigating, but also being Aware of the more mental emotional effects as well, rather than just the actual crime, you know, largely a lot of victim Advocate work and then our Interfaith liaison, you know, obviously reports it's a coalition that all of the churches in Danvers participate in or most of the churches in Danvers get together once a month and they do a lot of community work. Like food drives fundraising they did a lot of grocery gift cards over when this is going back to more, when things were shut down during the pandemic and things like that. So they're very focused on that. So they report to us what they're doing and then they take back to their committee. What we are doing and what we need help with. 8:10:19 PM Caja Johnson: That sounds like a, an excellent. 8:10:22 PM Eileen Page: It's great relationship. It usually beneficial to us the dream 8:10:24 PM Caja Johnson:Yeah. 8:10:26 PM Eileen Page: dream, of course would be to have a director of equity and inclusion. We you know that's probably on the horizon for us. We're just we're not there yet, but it's I think it's definitely gonna be a priority over the next couple months to a year. 8:10:46 PM Caja Johnson: That that sounds incredible. Um Gabrielle was that a hand or were you? 8:10:51 PM Gabrielle Montevecchi: Sorry, yep. 8:10:51 PM Caja Johnson: I'm sorry. 8:10:52 PM Gabrielle Montevecchi:Yep, sorry that's my Danvers hat. So I mean it's great to meet you. I am again. I am a proud diverse taxpayer 8:10:57 PM Caja Johnson:Yeah. 8:10:58 PM Gabrielle Montevecchi: last 16 years with two children in the high school in the middle school. So thank you for all of your work. 8:11:03 PM Eileen Page: Oh, so lucky. 8:11:03 PM Gabrielle Montevecchi:And yep. And my oldest is really actively involved in a number of committees at the high school level and I've had the opportunity to work a lot with District administrators in Danvers through my own work as administrator in Beverly talking about Mutual goals on the school level. And we're we're hoping and a lot of members of this committee have talked cages benfundamental as a liaison to our Beverly human Beverly High School, human rights student committee and I know there are Danvers human rights committee at the high school level is Super Active, personal knowledge of that and we want to bring those kids together big time. There's a Powerhouse of energy going on there. So I applaud you for all this work and I'm all about getting everybody together in our community. So thank you so much. 8:11:48 PM Eileen Page: Okay, well, we're gonna be looking for a lot of help with the Pride Celebration, especially from the students. We want to make it much, more student focused this year. So I'm gonna be emailing you, you're gonna be hearing from me. You're Okay, well, we're gonna be looking for a lot of help with the Pride Celebration, especially from the students. We want to make it much, more student focused this year. So I'm gonna be emailing you, you're gonna be hearing from me, you're gonna take 8:12:00 PM Gabrielle Montevecchi:What? 8:12:00 PM Caja Johnson: but, 8:12:01 PM Gabrielle Montevecchi: I'm all over. Danbury Pride jump, I'm Your lady reach right out. 8:12:04 PM Eileen Page: Perfect. 8:12:04 PM Caja Johnson: That's awesome. 8:12:06 PM Eileen Page: I will 8:12:07 PM Caja Johnson:And speaking of Pride, that's our next actual agenda item. So I would love, I'm thinking out loud. Yeah, but I would love if we could, maybe do like a cohesive. 8:12:20 PM Eileen Page:Yes. 8:12:21 PM Caja Johnson: Sort of after we raise the flag, maybe that weekend, that you were saying about the stickers. Maybe we could get students together. I'm getting all excited and I think that this would be really, really great. Um, Leah. I know that you sent out an email about, Pride month. And I think we have a group of students that want it to raise the flag. Is that 8:12:46 PM Leah Jones: The only update I have on Beverly is the mayor did get back and he said that they typically they raise the pride and trans flags on June 1 st in the morning. But that they schedule with the human rights committee year to year another date to actually kind of symbolically raise it again with the commute with the community and Renee has always kind of done the courtesy of reaching out to North Shore Pride because it's because a lot of towns that there are people who like to attend as many of them as they can. So it's nice to not have it the same day that other towns are doing it so that you can attend more than one if you want. So, when the mayor gets back to us, we can Kind of liaise with North Shore pride and kind of find out when Salem's doing theirs and Peabody and they'll be other folks who might attend. I don't know how big with covid, they're thinking about having it but the, you know, I love that idea of more than one thing like if even if that that event is is contained to 20 people You know, and we do it online like we did last year. It's really cool to think about other things that can happen throughout the month. 8:13:58 PM Caja Johnson:Yeah, I think, thank you so much. 8:13:59 PM Leah Jones: That. 8:13:59 PM Caja Johnson: Thank you so much for that Leah. Rabbi Adler was your hand up or where you just, I'm sorry, I I thought I saw your hand. 8:14:09 PM Alison Adler: no, no, I'm sort of just want to 8:14:10 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 8:14:12 PM Alison Adler: I can't tell from North Shore Pride. What's going on it? I'm guessing the parade is not going to be in person, but it's nice for us to have some kind of presence whether that it's a virtual parade or a In-person parade last year. It was virtual, which was really interesting and 8:14:31 PM Caja Johnson: I agree. I agree. So maybe we can get another meeting before. Before then and Eileen maybe me and you and Gabrielle can connect on. I love the students idea. I'm my wheels are turning with that but we'll talk more about that. 8:14:50 PM Eileen Page:Yeah, we do. 8:14:50 PM Caja Johnson: I just 8:14:52 PM Eileen Page: our actual flag, raising to just the committee members and those participating we're not going to really advertise it to the public necessarily maybe if they're like walking by you know stop and look but we kind of want to avoid the crowd and then our Outreach was more that Saturday after. So yeah we should definitely talk about maybe getting together in front of you know the one we had identified was calf man. Do the The coffee shop, the owner ohm is a huge supporter of our group. He's like, we need anything, we call home. So, and having the flags the stickers, kind of, like, just, everybody's required to bring their dog because everyone will stop to pet a dog. Like, I'm like, I will provide the rainbow bandanas, but you bring a dog. So, um, there will be dog friendly. 8:15:40 PM Gabrielle Montevecchi: I can do that. 8:15:41 PM Eileen Page: Um, and then maybe, you know, the following Saturday, or even Sunday, or something. If we want it, we could get together and outside, like a Beverly coffee shop. I know like, what's brewing is my place. You know, to kind of do the same thing hand out the stickers, the flags something like that. The goal eventually is kind of to turn it into, you know, not this year but maybe next year turn it into a month long thing where maybe we you know organize a bus ride into Boston to go to the pride parade as a community together, but the goal is really just this year to get it Beyond just Putting up a flag and saying, you know. Yay Pride. So, 8:16:16 PM Caja Johnson:Absolutely absolutely. Those are 8:16:18 PM Eileen Page:Yes, connect this week and and I'll kind of bring you up to speed on all the details. 8:16:24 PM Caja Johnson: thank you so much Eileen and Paul. I know, I'm just moving a little bit here on the agenda. I know we wanted to touch a little bit on social media and Communications on the website. 8:16:40 PM Paul Goodwin: Sure. Yeah, thank you Kasia. So we'll keep this kind of quick but I think there's a wonderful opportunity with our diverse group and how we all come from different social groups and friend groups and age groups that we can reach a huge amount of people through social media more so than I think we have been. So like I just posted on Facebook today or meeting was tonight so, you know, you should have done that a week ago and then so I just Envision that we can. Hit things with social media. We can put articles back on our website and then, if each of us can share them in our little social network communities, that will just get out there. 10 times 11, times more than it is right now. So for the website, a couple of things. So we just started this past month, putting up a ban or just to try to recognize a different segment in the community or a different cause. So we had autism awareness month up there. So Kaiser and I had started talking, we started thinking about doing it every month and then I started looking up what this month is and there's it's egg months and it's a million other things this month but there's a bunch of different groups represented. This month through the Jewish Community Haitian community Asian Community. It's all their month and older Americans months. So Mobility, America awareness. So, what I'd like to try to do on the website is just put a rotating Banner that we maybe can highlight one, two, three, five, six of these, and then, hopefully how that you can click on it and it will take people to information on that because I learned a lot of things about autism, just in putting that up and trying to find a nice article that talked about. Why is it Autism Awareness Month? and why they call it awareness month now and so I'd like to do that and so and then just the other stuff is more 1, 1 Don't want to be the voice of the committee by posting stuff on the website with news and links and everything, so I really would like people's help on that and so just reach out to me. I put up a Links Page. I just put a couple links there, but there can be a ton more. So if you feel, this should be something there, just email me, we can put that up. Same thing with news, you know. 1, I'll put things up that I notice and I think might be relevant, but I would definitely like help with that as well. And I know Allison said that, I'm sorry. Alicia said that she would definitely like to help with the Facebook and kind of take that over. So, I'll, I'll talk to her on the side about that because once we post something on the website, it should go to Facebook and then our twitters and Instagrams and everything from there. So the last thing is we were trying to get individual email, addresses from the city and they came back and said that they couldn't do that for every member but they could give us one General one. So, okay, so why don't we talk after offline and see if you want to keep the Gmail one or we want to flip you over to a Beverly human rights at Beverly.com or something. So we'll see what? 8:19:46 PM Caja Johnson: Beverly go. Yeah. 8:19:46 PM Paul Goodwin:Yeah, exactly. So we can talk about that, not that important, but for the content, I put up a contact. Page on the website as well and I just listed our names. We were hoping to have Beverly email addresses on there. So people won't be getting our own email addresses. So on the city website, they list all of our individual email addresses anyway. So, does anyone have a problem with us, listening our names in our current email, addresses that are the same on the city or do you want to just our names there? 8:20:23 PM Caja Johnson: it sounds like everyone agrees and 1 8:20:26 PM Paul Goodwin: Okay. 8:20:26 PM Caja Johnson: also really like the the rotating Banner idea. 8:20:30 PM Paul Goodwin: Okay. 8:20:32 PM Caja Johnson: That'll be super helpful. I think, in terms of being educational to the community and being able, you know, to go on and just click and out of curiosity. Oh, that's what that means. And, um, so I'm all that's a 8:20:45 PM Paul Goodwin:Yeah. 8:20:47 PM Caja Johnson: idea. 8:20:49 PM Paul Goodwin:Yeah. And I was thinking, you know, if there's four of them and each one week we can on social media just blast out about that one and then try 8:20:56 PM Caja Johnson:Yeah. 8:20:57 PM Paul Goodwin: to draw people back to the website and just kind of create more of I never knew about you guys before I was on school committee and heard about it through Gabrielle. So it's you know I'm and I'm sure most of my friends don't even know about us. So I'm trying to just spread the word as much as I can in my little. Universe here and I think we all can do the same. So so that's all I have. The only thing is I'm gonna be gone for The next seven eight days so I probably won't get the website updated until after the 17th. So I apologize for that, but we'll get the next half of this month celebrating all the great causes and communities out there. 8:21:39 PM Caja Johnson: Thank you so much, Paul. 8:21:40 PM Paul Goodwin: Okay, you're welcome. 8:21:41 PM Caja Johnson: That's all. 8:21:42 PM Paul Goodwin: Okay. 8:21:42 PM Caja Johnson:And I think it sounds like everyone agrees. Okay. All right. Well that sounds great. I don't know about the the website. I think that if it's going to be just the one, Email. We can talk about that offline, but I think it makes sense to keep the one that we have. But I don't know. I think to switch it all over and people already have the, you know, Beverly human rights at gmail account. But we can talk more about that offline. 8:22:18 PM Paul Goodwin: Okay, thank you. 8:22:19 PM Caja Johnson:And Leah. Did you have anything that you wanted to update a little bit on the work and family Mobility Act? 8:22:26 PM Leah Jones:Yep, I'll just take one minute. The work and family Mobility Act is along with the safe. Communities act has made it. I'm not so familiar with the process of making something law, but it's moved out of committee and they're, they're advocates for this bill, which is to ensure that anybody who's a resident of Massachusetts. As long as they fill all the requirements can get a driver's license regardless of immigration status. And I just wanted to quickly plug and say that as from a perspective of a parent of children who need to go to school. Go to a doctor's appointment. How do I get to my PTO meeting? How do I in the the time of covid? It's especially a huge issue. If we want to open safely, how do people get tested vaccinated, Etc. And it's a big issue and greater Boston where most people have to drive, to get to work to earn a livelihood, and it does comply with real ID requirements. I had a really nice meeting, thanks to the introduction of Paul and with cages support with representative paracella yesterday and Amy grunder from Mira who's a Beverly resident came and spoke so knowledgeably about the safe communities act also and she had a really nice conversation. A couple months ago with chief chief John about the safe communities act too. And I think one of the things just to to mention is that the way they refine, these bills is by talking to Chiefs of police by talking to people to say, what is it that isn't working for you about this? Let's refine it and make it better, so we can make this happen. So, it's got a lot of support. Um, Senator lovely's been very vocal about her support and what they're looking for is sort of vocal Champions. So, I am going to in the chat, you can always email me if you want more information, if you want, more of my heart. Like from my heart, I think this is so important. But really, this this page is a lot of great. And there's a way you can email Governor Baker, but I think getting in touch with your local Senators, Senator, lovely, and representative paracellas. Just a lovely person and would welcome that. I think it's important for them to know that it's important to their constituents, because they do put themselves out there, taking a risk at something. And if it doesn't pass, and they've put this forward, I mean, that's their, that's their job to, you know, vote for hard things sometimes. But Community encouragement can really help. And I know they're both really excellent. Lovely. People who want to hear from their constituents. So I'm gonna just put that in the chat and you can find a fact sheet and I'm open to questions or to connect you with somebody who can talk to you about the legal process, um, more knowledgeably than, than I have yet, been able to. So thank you much. 8:25:17 PM Caja Johnson: Thank you, Leah. I have one question for you as a 8:25:20 PM Leah Jones:Yeah. 8:25:21 PM Caja Johnson: human as the Beverly human rights committee. Could we Find on. 8:25:28 PM Leah Jones:Yeah, we could. 8:25:29 PM Caja Johnson:Well. 8:25:30 PM Leah Jones: So what we found out when we, we did a lot of work around education, and encouraging the community to vote. Yes, on question three for Trans rights in Massachusetts, a few years ago, and which aligned with the city council's, Declaration was, and what we found out from the city clerk, is that we can't advocate for a particular for people to vote, for particular person. 8:25:51 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 8:25:52 PM Leah Jones: educate people about the range of voting, what their vote means on a ballot and to encourage them to vote for something that's for, you know, in support of Human Rights. But we just can't say, you know, vote for governor. So and so during this election, we're not I don't think we're allowed to do that as a city committee. So we could write a letter or, you know, a letter of support, I think, to our representatives and they'd be familiar with the bill. And that's I think what they're really looking for is um, the bill 8:26:25 PM Caja Johnson:Yeah. 8:26:27 PM Leah Jones: numbers. Are on this. I will post it right. I have this fact sheet here, I'm going to send you a link and if you struggle If I can send you, the fact sheet, I have the bill numbers. Oh yeah, they're right here. I'm gonna put it right in the chat and this is a sheet where you could actually get a model for Reaching out to Governor Baker, hold on. And I'm going to Mira because I know Amy and I felt like they've worked his shape these bills. And so there are lots of other groups coca and Echo and others who are doing phenomenal. Work with people impacted undocumented residents and I have to say, I heard the other night at a conference somebody said, oh, we use the words undocumented which is more respectful than some terms that have been used by even local newspapers, but These folks are have a ton of documentation. So what's required is really sometimes an expired passport birth certificate. Like there's a lot that is required, it's not just walking in and saying, I don't have documents most of the people who are going for these licenses actually have documentation. Just not, they don't have. And we go immigration status at this moment, even though it's a very fluid thing. They're a mixed families in Massachusetts. There are a lot of people that are often in the room with us affected by this issue. And I think that's helpful to remember when we're in, you know, Council meetings. And School committee meetings and such that it impacts our many people in our community. So, there Paul Lindsey goes, you had asked for the bill numbers H, 3012 and S 2641, but I can email the group just to double check. I know that those numbers were updated recently, so I want to make sure that those are the The latest. 8:28:20 PM Caja Johnson: Thank you so much, Leah. So it sounds like we've got. We've got some things to think about what I hear is that possibly a letter of support. For the bill bills and and also let her support to domestic violence victims. And so we can we can talk about if we're as a committee ready to write those letters. we can we can talk about that via email or if everyone's Wanting to. Talk about it. Now we can we have a couple minutes. Um, does Does now seem right? Or do people want to think about it or what do we thinking? 8:29:16 PM Alison Adler: I just want to say, I mean, the reason I feel like we as a committee have to do some is because this article was in the paper that way and it brought this committee into the into this conference you know, discussion that we need to say do something that's I you know, I'm not sure that's what I think. But I don't know if people agree with that. 8:29:40 PM Caja Johnson: So I agree, but I I be interested to hear from from other folks. 8:29:47 PM Alison Adler:Yep. 8:29:49 PM Caja Johnson: I think the least we can do is put out a letter of support for domestic violence victims. I don't know if we need to motion for that or we can just all agree. 8:30:03 PM Alison Adler: I'm happy, you know, I'm happy to help write it too, and I'm not just going to say we should do this and then step away. Oh, 8:30:10 PM Caja Johnson: No. 8:30:12 PM Alison Adler:Yeah, I'd love. I'd love to partners with that, so 8:30:16 PM Caja Johnson:All right, so maybe Estelle. Maybe, you know, do we need to motion for that? Or can we just agree and write a letter of support for domestic violence victims? 8:30:27 PM Estelle Rand: Um I think that just kind of depends on your style. I'm personally a fan of accepting emotion and then voting on it because it gives closure to the conversation and is kind of a you know, precursor to actions. So that let's just my 8:30:43 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. all right, so 8:30:46 PM Estelle Rand:You know. 8:30:48 PM Caja Johnson: thanks sister. 8:30:49 PM Estelle Rand:You're welcome. 8:30:51 PM Caja Johnson: So yeah. So so why don't we do that? Um, before we do that, Paul Lindsay goes, I know that we have a meeting May 13th at 10 AM, is that do I have the right day and time? I just want to. Yep. 8:31:08 PM Paul Lanzikos: Okay, you do. Yeah, we and we're actually building. This is a conversation as supposed to a meeting, so we don't it's this the official meeting we're having the human race committees right now, and what we're doing on on, on Thursdays informal conversation. Before we I'm very quickly. I wanted I just said an email to everybody want to tell what's gonna? I just want to say to Leah, I just looked up your bill number and that's the build number from last session so that fact she is from you got any, 8:31:37 PM Leah Jones: Thank you. Thank you. 8:31:39 PM Paul Lanzikos: you have to get the build numbers for this session, um, because the 3012 now has something to do with the mass 8:31:41 PM Leah Jones: Okay, thank you. 8:31:46 PM Paul Lanzikos: the mass Court Authority. 8:31:48 PM Leah Jones: Oh, okay. Hold I will. 8:31:48 PM Paul Lanzikos: Um, okay. 8:31:50 PM Leah Jones: Oh sorry. 8:31:51 PM Paul Lanzikos: But in any case, um, I send out an email to all the community members, to all the city counselors to the media. This, um, send us a lovely send representative Salah to Salem News to Beth, Camp to senior. Are with information about the conversation, which will be in Thursday from 10 to 11 cosponsored with the Beverly constant aging. The type of conversation is respecting human rights and dignity. So it's very broad conversation and we're inviting people of all ages to to the conversation, though. We expect probably more. Most of, the folks will be older, folks, bees and the council aging. And I would just say spread the word and when I'm going to do is send out to all the the Members of the committee the the link for the conversation on Thursday. We're not putting that in the paper because we did we didn't want to one you know minimize Zoom bombing but either call. That's people getting in the touch with me or the council Aging for the link and we've already have several people who have signed up And and for those of you who have networks, including Paul, I would see Ashley if you can put it in Facebook, the information and like Alison if you get out to the the clergy Network and whatnot. So we've had, as you know, we've had these conversations before them and very very successful. 8:33:39 PM Leah Jones: Thanks for that much Paul. I just put the updated number in the chat for everybody. Thank you for that and maybe double 8:33:44 PM Caja Johnson: oh, 8:33:45 PM Leah Jones: check that one too. 8:33:46 PM Paul Lanzikos: Okay. 8:33:46 PM Leah Jones: but thank you so much. 8:33:49 PM Caja Johnson: sorry, I was muted, but I was saying thank you so much Paul, and I really look forward to the meeting next week and I think it'll be exciting. So, does anyone else have any other business? 834 1 think this is record time for me. So so, what I think that we can we can 8:34:16 PM Alison Adler:All right. 8:34:20 PM Caja Johnson: a motion for a couple of things of folks, are ready. So a letter of support to domestic violence victims. Our folks ready to to do that motion. To vote. Yeah. okay, and then the other one was motion to recommend that the diversity equity and inclusion director, Be have a seat on the human rights committee. oh, 8:34:58 PM Paul Goodwin: So a question for Estelle. Are we going by Robert's Rules when we're making motions here? Like we would? 8:35:04 PM Caja Johnson:Yes. 8:35:05 PM Paul Goodwin: Okay. Yeah. So we someone would make a motion someone with second it. Then we do discussion and then vote after the discussion. It was the way we should do it. So I'll make a motion for the human rights Community. Human rights committee to include the diversity and inclusion director. 8:35:25 PM Alison Adler: I second that. 8:35:27 PM Paul Goodwin: Okay. 8:35:29 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 8:35:37 PM Paul Goodwin: so, I think we already had discussion, but if anyone else has anything to 8:35:41 PM Caja Johnson:Yeah. 8:35:42 PM Paul Goodwin: Chime in with now you can otherwise we can go right to a vote. 8:35:45 PM Caja Johnson: yeah, I I feel like he we have 8:35:47 PM Paul Goodwin: Okay. Yeah. 8:35:48 PM Caja Johnson: passion, but if anyone has anything to say, please Okay. 8:35:55 PM Leah Jones: and just one thing with oh I'm sorry, 8:35:55 PM Caja Johnson:Almost. 8:35:57 PM Leah Jones:just one thing with the letter I thought, is this the time? If I just wanted to, I just think that in the past, the letters have been action-oriented and I think sometimes that's helpful because less 8:36:08 PM Caja Johnson: okay, we're 8:36:10 PM Leah Jones: support and then actually I know we're gonna talk about that at another time but 8:36:14 PM Caja Johnson:Yeah, this is just for the motion that that Paul just put forth. 8:36:19 PM Leah Jones: okay, I'm 8:36:20 PM Paul Lanzikos:Yeah. 8:36:20 PM Caja Johnson: For the, for the diversity, Equity inclusion director to have a key 8:36:24 PM Paul Lanzikos:Yeah. 8:36:25 PM Caja Johnson: human rights committee, Okay? So All those in favor. 8:36:31 PM Paul Lanzikos:And I can't Catra, 8:36:31 PM Caja Johnson:We? 8:36:32 PM Paul Lanzikos: Okay, cage, I think, under the, under the open meeting, lot rules on the virtual, we have to take a roll call in order for the vote to count. 8:36:41 PM Caja Johnson: Oh, okay. Okay, so all those in favor, Rabbi Adler. 8:36:51 PM Paul Lanzikos:You muted, Allison. 8:36:54 PM Alison Adler:Yes. 8:36:57 PM Caja Johnson: Leah Jones. 8:36:59 PM Leah Jones:Yes. 8:37:02 PM Caja Johnson: Paul Goodwin. 8:37:03 PM Paul Goodwin:Yes. 8:37:06 PM Caja Johnson: Paul Lindsey goes. 8:37:07 PM Paul Lanzikos:Yes. 8:37:11 PM Caja Johnson: Gabrielle montaveki. 8:37:17 PM Gabrielle Montevecchi:Yes. 8:37:17 PM Caja Johnson: Chief. Okay. 8:37:20 PM John LeLacheur:And she said Jam in the morning. 8:37:21 PM Caja Johnson: Chief, John Butcher. 8:37:22 PM John LeLacheur:Yeah, yes. 8:37:30 PM Caja Johnson: Those opposed. I think it motion passes unanimously. I'm excited for that. I think that it just makes the most sense if we're just looking at looking at the larger goal here. So, the motion pass for that and then the next motion is for the letter of support Leah. Were you saying that you didn't want to do a motion or 8:37:58 PM Leah Jones:And no no, no actually. I was getting into the the weeds a little bit about it being action-oriented and But I can hold my comments. It's actually fine. I'll 8:38:07 PM Alison Adler: No, no. I I would like to, I think it would 8:38:09 PM Leah Jones: Put. 8:38:10 PM Alison Adler: be nice if it included the great things that are happening in Beverly, the things of the police are doing, I think part of the action is the 8:38:16 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 8:38:17 PM Alison Adler: educating the community about what's what's happening. and maybe there are other things as 8:38:22 PM Leah Jones: For. 8:38:22 PM Alison Adler:well. But, you know, 8:38:24 PM Caja Johnson: I agree. I think that, that the, the letter should, for sure include All because I know that Beverly does do a lot of work surrounding domestic violence. So So should we do emotion or should we wait? I think maybe we should maybe hold off if we're not just doing it as a committee if we're adding The police department too. Is that what you am? I misunderstanding. 8:38:55 PM Alison Adler: No, I think we should just do emotion that we're doing a letter. 8:38:59 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 8:39:00 PM Alison Adler: I mean, partly, it would say a letter partly in response to the article that was in the newspaper. 8:39:05 PM Caja Johnson: Okay, right. 8:39:07 PM Alison Adler: that letter be a statement of support. For victims of domestic violence and including the great things that the Beverly Police Department is doing and any other things. 8:39:20 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 8:39:20 PM Alison Adler:And I don't know. But so that's the motion I would put forward, but I don't know, I guess I'm asking is should that just be from us? 8:39:29 PM Caja Johnson: That's what, that's what I'm wondering. Because if we're gonna put fourth emotion, I think, I think it should be just from us and if the Beverly Police Department is 8:39:39 PM Alison Adler: I think it. 8:39:41 PM Caja Johnson: going to sign on also and the mayor and you know, 8:39:45 PM Alison Adler:You know what what? I think we should just do it from us and we can we might have asked for 8:39:49 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 8:39:51 PM Alison Adler: them in the letter, but we can talk about, but I don't think that needs to be in the In the motion. 8:39:58 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 8:39:59 PM Alison Adler: So this is creating a statement. 8:39:59 PM Caja Johnson:All right. Okay. all right, we have a motion by Can I say myself? 8:40:11 PM Alison Adler: No, I made motion. 8:40:11 PM Caja Johnson:We have no. Okay. 8:40:13 PM Alison Adler: I make the motion to create this letter in response, to the article in the Salem News in support of that victims of domestic violence. 8:40:22 PM Caja Johnson: Seconded. Okay. All those in favor, Paul Lindsey goes. 8:40:34 PM Paul Lanzikos:Yes. 8:40:37 PM Caja Johnson: Gabrielle montavecchi. 8:40:40 PM Gabrielle Montevecchi:Yes. 8:40:42 PM Caja Johnson: Leah Jones. 8:40:43 PM Leah Jones:Yes. 8:40:45 PM Caja Johnson: Chief, John legere. 8:40:46 PM John LeLacheur:To look at. For example, I think I have to abstain 8:40:52 PM Caja Johnson: Paul Goodwin. 8:40:54 PM Paul Goodwin:Yes. 8:40:59 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 8:41:02 PM Paul Lanzikos: In case you how about you? 8:41:04 PM Caja Johnson:Yes. Yes, thank you. Paul. okay, so those opposed The chief. 8:41:19 PM John LeLacheur:That I need with. No, I am staying. I did not vote on opposition. 8:41:22 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. Okay, I didn't hear you. Okay. um, so, all right. I think that. We can Adorn the meeting. 8:41:42 PM Paul Lanzikos:And a cater before you. 8:41:43 PM Caja Johnson: I love anyone else. Has anything else to add? 8:41:46 PM Paul Lanzikos: Just a quick update, I checked on the the bill that Leia mentioned in its 8:41:51 PM Caja Johnson: Oh, 8:41:52 PM Paul Lanzikos: and it's been referred to the committee on Transportation. which is, which is usually at this 8:41:56 PM Caja Johnson: oh, 8:41:58 PM Paul Lanzikos: point of the legislative session since this early, 8:42:02 PM Caja Johnson: so is there is, was that the right bill number? 8:42:06 PM Paul Lanzikos: Is The Notebook. The first bill number she gave me was from last session, totally unrelated bill, but they assigned the bill numbers at the beginning of each 8:42:14 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 8:42:15 PM Paul Lanzikos: session and the one. So this number has been in the science of this bill and it's now been referred to the community and transportation for the its first hearing. 8:42:23 PM Leah Jones: and I, and I misspoke because the safe communities Act is out of committee but there, but I think, 8:42:30 PM Paul Lanzikos: No, I don't think that. I don't think they've had any Community Action. It was at a committee last session, but everything goes back in at the beginning of this session. 8:42:37 PM Leah Jones: okay. Okay, that's where I sort of Hit the hit the wall. So thank you for that clarification. Thanks so much. 8:42:45 PM Caja Johnson:All right, if no one else has any other business up, Rabbi Adler. 8:42:51 PM Alison Adler: Motion to adjourn. 8:42:54 PM Caja Johnson: Okay we'll set up another meeting. I think we should meet before Pride just to sort of I don't what are or we can talk via email what works best I never know I don't want to be if you would rather communicate through email and not meet again. That's okay. 8:43:11 PM Leah Jones: Keisha, it's nice. If a couple people let you know that they want to work on it because it helps City Hall to communicate. Even if it's a very small flag, raising ceremony to reach out to 8:43:19 PM Caja Johnson: Okay. 8:43:20 PM Leah Jones: place or whatever. 8:43:21 PM Caja Johnson:Yeah, so just just let me know. Okay. 8:43:26 PM Gabrielle Montevecchi: It definitely help out with that and communication to the school side about the pride events too. Absolutely. 8:43:31 PM Caja Johnson: Thank you so much Gabrielle. All right, meeting adjourned. It was great to see all of you 8:43