1999-06-09CITY OF BEVERLY, MASSACHUSETTS
PUBLIC MEETING MINUTES
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RECORDER
: Norwood Pond Commission
:
: June 9, 1999
: Beverly City Hall
: Chairman Don Martin, Vice-Chairman Neiland Douglas,
Todd Lampert, Bill Frost, Tina Cassidy, Virginia MeGlynn,
Joyee McMahon, J. Michael Lawler, David Lang
: Bruce Nardella, Kevin Burke
: City Engineer Frank Killilea
: Tina Cassidy
Chairman Martin calls the meeting to order at 8:00 p.m. He informs the commission and
audience that the Norwood Pond site and the former Camevale property immediately
adjacent to it were recently rezoned by the City Council from residential to a new Open
Space and Recreation District.
Martin asks if there is any public comment at this time. There is none.
Next, Martin asks fithere are any last comments on the interim report before it is
finalized and presented to the Mayor. Frost questions the construction costs associated
with the overpass and interchange improvements, and wonders whether the
improvements will warrant the expenditure of funds to construct them. He states that
recent newspaper articles about the economic development analysis being prepared by
the City's Economic and Community Development Council ("ECDC") were confusing,
and asks whether the interim report of the Norwood Pond Commission should state that
the overpas,qinterchange construction costs will be more than the $5 million the state has
pledged in funding for an overpass.
Doughs responds that the final design of the transportation project will dictate the actual
cost, and that it seems clear that because the project now involves constructing
interchange improvements in addition to an overpass, the cost will in fact be more than
the $5 million originally envisioned. He adds that the commission has been fairly
unanimous in its support of the concept of making traffic and safety improvements to the
area.
Frost wonders whether it will make sense to pursue this project based on the tax
generation revenue quoted in the newspapers as a result of the ECDC's work. McMahon
states that the tax revenue figures quoted in the newspaper articles have changed from
meeting to meeting because the ECDC is revising and finatizing its reporL which she
hopes to provide to members at the next meeting. Part of the confusion stems from the
li~c~ tha~ the press has been reporting on the ECDC's drafls of the reporl while they arc
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still "works in progress", and members have made several changes to the assumptions.
they are using to create conservative but realistic conclusions. She adds that the purpose
of the interim Norwood Pond Commission report is to inform the City of its efforts to
date. It is not designed to be the final definitive statement on the subject of
overpass/interchange improvements. She points out that if funding is a concern at this
stage, members should keep in mind that a myriad of other potential funding sourcos
could be available for this project as they were with the Sam Fonzo Drive industrial
roadway project. Public Works Economic Development grants, Community
Development Action Grants, and private investment are all possibilities.
Lang asks representatives of the City's consulting fn-m 0TI'SD) who are present if they
have preliminary estimates of cost for the design as it presently exists. Bill Lyons of
HTSD states that it is very difficult to quote costs at this poim, since the size and
elements of the project are still being scoped at present. The current conceptual plan
would cost slightly less than $11 million. He states that if funding becomes an issue, it
would be possible to "segment" cometion of the project so that it could be constructed
in stages.
Lang suggests that the wording of the interim report include a statement that the cost of
construction of this project would be $10 to $11 million dollars. Several members
express concern with that statement, since the real cost of construction of this project is
yet unknown.
Martin suggests tabling discussion on the interim report for the moment, and asks Killilea
to introduce the representatives of HTSD.
Killilea introduces Christer Ericsson and Bill Lyons ofHTSD. Lyons explains the latest
conceptual plan that has been drafted (see copy of plan attached hereto). He summarizes
the preliminary data collection that HTSD has done, including traffic counts and analyses
of a number of intersections in the Brimhal Avenue/Dunham Road area. Based on this
information, HTSD has determined that traffic conditions at all intersections on Brimbal
Avenue would improve with this project.
Lyons discusses Route IA briefly, noting that the State is about to embark on an
infrastructure improvement program for that mad. He also states that the access road and
overpass would be designed to accommodate, not preclude, future development on
Dunham Road. He also explains that a build out study of the area was conducted. and the
potential number of vehicle trips was extrapolated. The number of vehicle trips dictates
the number of lanes, traffic lights, etc. that should be constructed.
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Douglas asks how much additional traffic couM be expected on Dunham Road at full
build-out. Lyons responds 557 additional vehicle trips in the peak hour at full build-out.
Lyons states that the road leading to the bridge would he four lanes wide and the bridge
would have five lanes (one of which would be a turning lane) and a sidewalk. The
project also calls for improvements to Dunham Road, and Lyons notes that the finn will
need to work with the City to find an acceptable way to provide alternative emergency
vehicle access to the Dunham Road area in the event there is a blockage oftraffle on the
bridge. Under the present conceptual plan, two existing ramps in the Brimbal
Avenue/Route 128 interchange would be discontinued.
Doughs asks Lyons why the firm assumed that the existing Burger King rest area would
remain. Lyons states that the owners have a lease with the State to operate the rest area,
and they have an obligation to perform under the terms of the lease. Martin asks if the
current design makes provision for the possible siting of a new fire station within the
cloverleaf of the Brimbal Avenue/Route 128 interchange. Lyons answers that they have,
although the details of access driveways would not he known antil a proposed facility
were designed. Frost asks if the finn can make smaller-sized copies of the current plan
available to the public. Lyons states that he can provide smaller plans to the Planning
Department within a day.
Lang asks Lyons to clarify the traffic generation rates he quoted earlier. Lyoas states that
peak hour traffic at full build-out is projecied to he 557 vehicles during the peak hoar, not
the entire day. He adds that the total study area was approximately 177 acres. McMahon
says she recalls the ECDC assumed a total buildable acreage of 65-70 acres for its
economic impact analysis. Lang asks if there is a threshold number of vehicle trips that
must be reached before the State will fund the overpass. Lyons states there is not, and
that in fact the State has already committed funding to this project. Lang asks if the State
has taken a position on this proposed design. Lyons answers that the State has not
reviewed the current desigr~ although they have reviewed previous versions of the plan
which they believe had merit. He adds that the plan meets all design criteria for
minimum spacing distance between access ramps.
Lang suggests that the first paragraph of the interim report be rewritten to indicate that
the overpass project will cost more than the $5 million currently set aside by the State for
this project. Cassidy states that she would he concerned with any language that specified
a dollar amount for construction costs at this point, since the costs will depend on the
fmal design which is a long way from being completed. Douglas suggests that if
construction costs ultimately exceed the State's $5 million, the City will become
proactive in seeking private contributions toward construction costs as it did in the Sam
Fonzo Drive / Airport Road project. Many of the propertx, owners in this area have future
development plans that would be benefited by an improvgd transportation system. He
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also states that grants such as the Public Works Economic Development grant are also
available for construction. Lawler asks Lyons why a traffic signal at the Dunham Road /
Brimbal Avenue intersection is included in the design. Lyons explains that it is for those
motorists on Brimbal Avenue who wish to access the southbound on-ramp.
Lawler states his concern and opposition to the "jughandle" concept shown on the Route
128 off-ramp to Brimbal Avenue. Douglas offers his general comment on the design to
date, stating that he is comfortable with the conceptual design as it is evolving, and that
the basic fundamental concepts are okay.
With respect to Lang's request that modified language he incorporated into the first
paragraph of the commission's interim report, McMahon suggests the following revised
language for the last sentence of the first paragraph in the report, which Lang adopts as
his motion:
Lang: motion to replace the last sentence of the first paragraph of the interim report with
the following: "A major pan of the impetus for its formation was a $5 million
pledge from the State toward the design and construction of an overpass,
interchange, and roadway system which, in 1999 dollars for the June 1999
conceptual plan, stands at just under $11 million," Motion is seconded by
Douglas, all members in favor. Motion carries.
Douglas:
motion to approve the interim report as mended, seconded by McMahon.
All members in favor, motion carries.
Next, Martin explains that all members of the commission have been provided with
copies of the Norwood Pond Study conducted by Baystate Environmental Consultants,
Inc., and suggests that the commission discuss the report this evening. A number of
residents from the Norwood Pond area are at the meeting this evening to hear the
commission's discussion.
Members generally discuss the report; Frost notes the various methods available to
control the pond's eutrophication, noting that dredging may be the most effective option,
but that it has some drawbacks. Douglas states that although he has reviewed the report,
he is not ready to endorse a particular course of action this evening. He expects the
commission to discuss the report over the coming months and to recommend a course of
action for the City's consideration as part of the commission's final report. He does state
that the commission appears unanimous in its support for preserving the pond.
Frost states his advocacy in cleaning up the area around the dam. Douglas suggests that
the commission consider recessing for the summer and reconvening in September when
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more definitive information on the overpass/interchange design and the State report on
the condition of the dam is available. He suggests that the commission might be willing
to schedule a special meeting to consider the Norwood Pond issue if necessary. A
general discussion is held regarding the commission's summer meeting schedule. Frost
volunteers to organize a site visit to the dam at the pond for a date in July. Ms. Pam
Kampersal, Dodge Street, asks the commission to consider meeting in August to discuss
the report on the pond, and members agree that an August meeting will be held.
Doughs:
motion to recess the Norwood Pond Commission until August, seconded
by MeGlynn. All members in favor, motion carries.
The meeting is ndjoumed at I0:10 p.m.